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  1. I'm going to be honest here. I think some people are taking the results way too seriously. At the end of the day, the popularity poll is just meant to be something fun for the community. It shouldn't affect how you feel about certain characters and themes, since it's your vote that matters the most. That being said, I love all the characters, so I'm happy with any outcome!
    8 points
  2. I agree with this sentiment. It's a popularity poll, so I'm always quite puzzled that people are disappointed or angry or whatever when the popular thing inevitably wins. EoSD might not be my favorite shooter and U. N. Owen might not be my favorite song, but regardless of whether you consider them "overrated" or whatever the ultimate outcome is the same: "I think they're overrated" - Why be disappointed with the results then? If the number of people that like it exceeds what you expect then it placing high should be no surprise (as being disappointed entails that you had different expectations). "I don't think they're overrated, but (less popular thing) is better so it should've won/placed higher/etc." - That's not the point. Fans of a medium aren't automatically experienced critics, and most people won't use high placements on a popularity poll to discover new works/songs/whatever anyways because if it placed high on a popularity poll there's a pretty good chance they already know about it. Is this just the innate human underdog effect where they desperately want to root for the less likely candidate even in this scenario where the premise of the contest is to gauge the exact opposite? Who knows. (Also, as a side note, I believe most people like Internet Survivor for the high effort and passionately-made PV more so than the song itself.) And now that the civilized part of the post is over, ahem
    7 points
  3. Yeah, i guess that is true. I guess though many of us become very invested in this whole thing and the whole "waifu" idea that you forget the whole purpose of the poll - having fun. It just stings though to see when someone you like/appreciate is pretty much falling in popularity/in becoming irrelevant. Combined with seeing characters you do not care of score higher...yeah. Whenever I become too invested in something, I end up forgetting to have fun with it. Perhaps I should give it a second chance. I see it is a popular song, yet after one listen, I did not feel like I wanted to hear it again. But the video in itself looked good. Focusing it on Flan might be what did no tick for me, as she is one of the second half on the tier list character for me (never found the appeal of the vampire loli idea). But again, maybe the song is better than I remember (I literally can't remember anything out of it). So why not. Again, at the end of the opening post I did congratulate the winners of this year. If you are a person that likes Touhou 6, this sure has been your lucky year - also happy birthday, as the game turned 20 just less than a couple months ago. Glad to see you are happy. As long as people are happy, I am happy too. Personally, I would not have said "overrated" as much as "overused". I can understand these have been fan-favorites for 2 decades now, but it is always funny the surprise when something completely unexpected goes up in the ranks. Also perhaps I may need a break, as there were moments when I had the feeling the entirety of Touhou fandom revolves around EoSD. Not that is completely bad, but I feel there are other other things in this vast ocean called Touhou people forget about way too easily. Be it a song, a character etc. If you dig enough through the series, you may find more things you did not expect to enjoy. Also please keep in mind. Everything below the linked thread from r/touhou are quotes taken from the comment section. They do not reflet the view of that who wrote this thread here on Moriya, so take it as somebody else's interpretation of what is going on.
    6 points
  4. I have long thought about what it would take to create a map of gensokyo accurate to all cannon information we have... well I've learned that someone has in fact done just that! It's not perfect by the author's own admission, and perhaps should be treated as a kind of "first draft", but still, have a look at it and tell me what you think!
    6 points
  5. Looks like this has turned into a trilogy (lol). Finally, a conclusion after two threads and a port to r/touhou. This time, in order to bring multiple points of view, therefore presenting the view of the Touhou community itself on such issues like mature content, I will present their answers the very way they were posted. There have been more than 200 comments, but I will most likely pick the ones that are actually pertinent and fir the topic at hand. In some points, if the opinion is interesting, I will probably add my own comments. But before that, my personal conclusion to the Touhou fans that have shown to be extremely horny and depraved from their very nature: "No anon, your waifu doesn't love you or as you go out with her, or go into any sort of romantic confession to a complete foreigner. No anon, your waifu will not allow or want you touch her in inappropriate places. No anon, your waifu will not beg you have sex with her" Credit for this image: https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/qpy018/satori_reads_your_mind_parody_of_fusus_work/ People are generally horny, Touhou fans included. Which might explain the hundreds of videos from past 6 months that go into horny, cookie-cutter format and use cropped hentai or Fusu images for thumbnail. "Touhou /x character fans be like". As for Fusu himself, I guess the dislike for his art might also be reinforced, like others pointed out, about how his art switched in the past months from the confession type (the ones posted on this subreddit last year) + "sexy times" (badically part 2 of the confession images) to just the latter. If one has the "keep out R18 content" filters activated, they will not be aware of that entire side of the author. But if you go to somewhere like Danbooru, you will see. And oh boy, at least 10 continuous pages of hentai (which also has amorous confessions) followed by starting to see again the (safe for work) art + "part 2" really is an experience... With this part solved, now on with the actual comments: 99% of Touhou characters are made up of girls. And it is a very popular franchise amongst male gamers. Put 2 and 2 together and... well, this is the result. For me, I've never really looked up hentai artwork of my favorite characters before. When I like a character, it's the personality that comes into mind, not appearance. Sex is popular in general. "Chastity is the greatest form of perversion." - A certain sexologist. I highly agree with that quote because people should not be ashamed or be shamed for liking sex. It's part of our nature. People who hate sex most likely have a sex disorder anyway and they don't even know it's an illness... Anyway, moving on. I think Touhou H artworks are so popular because of... copyright in Japan?... ZUN was more open about people using his content to make other content, like how Fair Use law works in the West. Creators like ZUN, whose works became hugely popular are rare. I'm sure most Japanese artists wouldn't want to to touch other series in fear of getting sued the shit out of them-- that's how obsolete Japanese copyright laws are; they don't recognize Fair Use. TL; DR It's the popularity. The real thing here is "why do fanworks turn to smut so often?" and I offer no explanation for it. It's just an old known phenomenon. Most damningly, given the actual thing above, Touhou actually has less mature content than most other popular series, as measured by me, right now, looking at Pixiv post counts: The procedure for all the data below is the same: I took the 10 most popular "copyright" tags at danbooru.us to get a list of "what's popular in the West". Then I went to pixiv.net and searched the main tag for each series, and then redid the search adding the term "R-18", which is the Japanese code for "mature work". I took note of the search results and calculated the "mature ratio" for each series. Touhou has the second smallest ratio, with only Vocaloid having less mature content. Series Posts R-18 Posts Mature Works % FGO 500.746 66.294 13.23% 東方 (Touhou) 2.449.831 192.275 7.84% アイドルマスター (Idolmaster) 262.369 113.030 43.08% 艦これ (Kantai Collection) 850.150 120.100 14.12% ホロライブ (Hololive) 244.879 25.884 10.57% VOCALOID 505.964 19.545 3.86% ポケモン (Pokémon) 823.234 120.454 14.63% 原神 (Genshin Impact) 243.892 52.579 21.56% アズールレーン (Azur Lane) 192.314 50.300 26.15% アークナイツ (Arknights) 155.213 17.391 11.20% So, the whole point of this essay is moot. Touhou is NOT "so popular in terms of mature content". People want to lewd idols, battleships and genderbent historical figures more than the youkai. Count's comment: Honestly, I am quite impressed. Especially about the fact the person making the comment has gone through all this just to make the analysis. Thank you for the clarification on that side, as I always had the impression the numbers are much higher then in reality. It is still interesting though why Touhou is discussed so often for its adult works by those outside the community despite the fact, like you said, that it has much less compared to other big series. All I can do right now is appreciate the effort you have gone through for that results. Really it's all about doujin culture. People make stuff they like, and sell it to basically spread it. I remember reading that in the 90s that Castlevania doujinshi that focused on the female monsters became the inspiration for the monster musume genre that emerged in the 2000s. Basically anything that can be sexualized(or at least made into moe characters and then sexualized) can be. WWII warships? Kantai Collection. 70s mecha anime? Robot girls Z. Regular animals? Kemono Friends. You can find adult doujinshi for all those. I've been to Comiket 3 times, and found a lot of stuff that blew my mind. I saw a Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles BL book(BL meaning Boy's love, basically male homosexual relationships aimed toward female readers. This is distinct from bara/gay manga that are for homosexual men). The proportions of adult to general audience books are around 60-40 depending on the particular title, and I didn't notice what got more adult or general over the other too much. You can't get rid of one without basically halving the number of titles available. And further more for the sex ratio for adult parody doujinshi the proportion that were women were around a fourth to a third. Add to that the nearly female only BL area and Comiket is a mostly female event. As to how accepting the Japanese can be of adult material, yeah, that's foreign to you. Japan's opinion on free expression is a strange mix of European and American attitudes, that has genitals partially covered but the actual sexual material can get very wild. Not to mention that a large female cast can attract a lot of people for different things, be it chaste or sexual. In the world of doujin any number of stories can be told with these characters that people have affection for. Essentially for stories Japanese just make them. Now they do have concerns about various consequences from their stories, but they don't try to censor themselves if what they make won't gather a hate mob to harass them. As to people making secondary works that are sexual, that's the doujin artists and not ZUN. And if people still don't like it then I don't really care because people like that are difficult to interact with I first really got into Touhou from erodoujinshi, basically I downloaded a pack of them and read it, and wondered about these characters and the world they lived in. I got into the games and basically bought them. I picked up 8 of the games while I was living in japan as to basically have a show of support for the series. I bought a lot of doujinshi, both adult and general audience, over there as well. I really don't follow the community here. To be honest most of the posts I see don't interest me, I usually just upvote art that I like. If there's an influx of newbies then I haven't noticed. And if they don't care for adult content, then fine they don't have to interact with it. If they still think poorly of Touhou after that, then whatever, I don't care. That's a really interesting read. I want to say that Touhou in Japan for a long time is the largest fandom in doujin world. It's always in the top 3 only sometime lose to Kancolle, FGO, or Idol Master. The reason there's alot of erodoujin it's probably because there is alot of touhou doujin in the first place. Also Touhou is really old and sold as a doujin in the first place, ZUN also give freedom to write his character in doujin as long as there is no spoiler to the ending. This could be another reason why it's easier to write an ero doujin knowing that the creator give consent to write it. Also while I doubt Touhou is this big because ero content alone it's still a big part why it's still relevant to this day. Touhou is still big because doujin and most sold doujin is ero content. If you read some old SFW Touhou doujin there some who change to draw r-18 in recent doujin. Reason is there more people want NSFW rather SFW. Of course the doujin music is another big part why Touhou still relevant today. I do think NSFW doujin and doujin music is both the biggest part why Touhou is big so I do understand why in the second discussion OP post why some people think it's weird that some people genuinely hate over-sexualisation of Touhou characters. I do hope if people hate it they just ignore it or just block the artist rather than mock, bashing or something worse to the artist. And for OP second question "Why is R18 art so appealing?" honestly I never think of it. I just took it for granted that R-18 stuff is appealing. I just think some art is erotic and that's it. I can explain why it's erotic, but why it's appealing I don't know. I guest society already make it's the norm and most people never question it. If you raise in a religious house hold or something similar you probably think R-18 stuff is unappealing. Finally I want to say the faceless thing is something you will see a lot in doujinshi especially if the doujin involve having romantic relationship with the girl. This is not only in NSFW doujin but SFW doujin as well. The faceless man is to make it easier for reader to self insert as. Japan is really big in creating self insert story for some reason, maybe it's escapism but it's something not exclusive for Touhou. This also the reason why isekai and other self fulfilling story have the same generic black hair protagonist. Also apply to POV stories as well. Count's comment (this went on as an actual discussion): "If you raise in a religious house hold or something similar you probably think R-18 stuff is unappealing." This one hits quite close to home for me. I was not brought up in exactly the most religious of families, but they still had religious views in accordance to our Greek Orthodox view (I think I may have pointed sometime in the past that I hail from Romania, a country that still has deeply rooted religious and traditionally conservative views). Anything R-18 was pretty much received as a sin, and something one should stay as far as possible from, and even mentioning the topic was/still is very much a taboo. In school, religious education is a thing, and anatomy classes, despite having an entire dedicated chapter for sexual education and reproduction, completely avoid the topic (my teacher literally skipped that whole course-book chapter). Combining these elements of upbringing, one gets to the age of 20 and still feeling a strong sense of guilt even for seeing the slightest but of NSFW materials, who is very confused about these sort of materials, and pretty much way too shy to speak up even to his parents looking for advice (last time I tried, it did not not end very well, and ever since I never brought up the subject ever again). Not to say that never having been in a relationship makes you pretty much have a lot of unanswered questions. Thanks as well for the thread OP, I also come from a country with deeply rooted religious views (Indonesia) and R-18 is also treat it as taboo or sin so I can kinda see why you think like that. It's just my friend circle is a manga/anime fan as well so while not all of them ok with stuff like that most of them are not repulsive to R-18 stuff. I do though sometime meet someone like you who is not fine with R-18 stuff it's just not in Touhou fandom or any Japanese media. Though I do hope if you don't like stuff like this you just ignore it as most artist is pretty good in either hide their NSFW stuff or give warning that they do NSFW stuff. Count's comment: Here is the thing. Due to my early upbringing, I used to hate them almost mechanically, without actually thinking why I hate the. Now, when I started to think more by myself, I started to question if I actually have a dislike for such content. Nowadays, i would probably say that there are a few things I might actually say I appreciate. Especially when R-18 does not only mean porn, but also anything which includes artistic nudity in non-sexual connotations at all. An artistic nude in good taste is something I actually do appreciate, even if I might feel too shy to accept it. It's still something I would rather keep for myself though. I do have a few things I appreciate when it comes to this sort of art, especially if the artist is good. In the final part of the OP, I did talk a bit about how my mind changed following the discovery of Danbooru, going for complete intolerance of such art to accepting a number of things based on a few personal tastes. Just because an artist also draws NSFW stuff, it really does not diminish their value as artists. Actually, if their stuff is good enough, I might actually keep it in count next time I check again that artist. I do understand that like even some of the most obscene stuff I seen I can apreciate it either by the creativity or the quality of the art. I especially like it if their work has a distinctive artstyle and I can know who the artist is with just a glance of their work like Zounose, Yassy, or Frogsnake. The last two while drawing some of the most obscene and NSFW stuff I ever seen they draw it in a way that I never see other artist do and also create a story that is unique to them and I like them for it. Some NSFW artist also draw good SFW work, like the author of Mamange doujin who while drawing R-18 Youmu x Reisen doujin also draw a wholesome doujin about Reisen raising the rest Eientei girl as a kid. Personally this is why I love Touhou, I don't know any media who have this much variety in fan content as much as Touhou ranging from really obscene stuff that I can never show to my friend to really wholesome stuff that everyone can apreciate it. There something for everyone and I love Touhou for this. I would consider myself a regular consumer of touhou porn. Whenever I feel like I got nothing to do, I'd get an urge to go jack off to some porn. So what I'd usually do is pull out my phone, go to rule 34 or danbooru and type in the name of a touhou character; usually reimu or marisa gets entered into the search bar and occasionally sanae or sakuya gets typed in, when I'm feeling extra horny on a particular day. The reason why I choose to look up touhou porn in particular, over other types of erotic content, is mostly because I am already familiar with the characters. Because of this familiarity, it makes searching for porn much more convenient for me. The familiarity I have with the characters isn't built from the official games at all; it's mostly built on top of non-official works. For example, while playing lost word, I found out that reimu, marisa and sanae fit into the category of girls that I'm into. In other words, I found out through consuming fan works that they're 'my type'. Both in terms of personality and looks. Then, those two characters would stay in the back of my mind. As I get to know more about the fandom, the stronger the characters' presence in my head. Then, when I sit down to jack off, they're the ones that come to mind first. You know how your youtube recommended section is filled with videos you've watched before? When it comes to choosing a search term for rule34, the names of touhou characters shows up in my head's 'recommended' section. Since they're the ones that come to mind first, that's what I'll look up. It then becomes a cycle. From the first moment I looked up reimu's name on rule34, I was hooked on touhou porn. I liked what I saw, so I looked up the names of more touhou characters. As I continued to consume, the more 'stuck' I became in touhou porn. It took me quite a bit of introspection to write this: if it weren't for this post, I wouldn't be questioning my porn consumption habits. Count's comment: reading this again, it sounded an awful lot like copypasta. Reading again the ending, it makes me feel it is not 100% copypasta, but maybe 99%. Anyway, an insight I guess... "don't draw them minor-looking; it feels wrong (also probably related to a recent preference for older/more mature characters)". Just so you know, the majority of the cast, including Reimu and Marisa, are canonically LOLIS. Cute and funny lolis. Please stop trying to force artists to draw off-model renditions of 2hus just because you can't handle the cunny. You spoke the truth and they hid your comment. Cowardice. Redditors fear the truth. That's why they feed each other regurgitated opinions in their echo chamber subreddits all day long Count's comment: ok...? WTF did I just read? Thy killed him because he said the truth I read the half of your post, must say you did a good research about characters popularity in mature content. I have seen ton of high effort sfw and nsfw art since I browsed the internet and dived into that rabbit hole in the past. No offense way to much for me to read. But my biggest thoughts in the quantity of touhou erotica is likely due to Zun’s extremely hands off stance on what the community is allowed to do. When you mix that with the idea that most of the community is both free to and actively gaining new members because if said erotic content. It makes sense that it’d create an indefinite cycle. I for one know that it was the music that got me into the series. But I can’t deny the erotica had a large impact. Anyway thanks for coming to my Ted talk. Also, I completely agree on the part where you make a distinction between nude art and porn, the intention of the artist are what define the type of work they make and their audience. If i could draw i would definitely draw a couple of nude or just half nude touhous, but that wouldn't be for erotic purposes, i just like the woman anatomy (except some parts, especially the low one...) and i would not add those artwork to my gallery or portfolio because i know for sure that a lot of people would misunderstand or just not understand my intentions behind it, and i care about this, i am jealous of that i make it it still would tilt me if people used my work for wanking. I am glad that someone sees it about the same way as me. Count's comment (downvoted to absolute 0): I think this is a very important distinction to be made, especially since there are people who put those two in the same pot, without thinking there's any difference. I personally find it much easier to enjoy an artistic nude done in good taste (as much as there cam be) then a piece of porn. Also pretty much the same when it comes to the gallery/portfolio part. Well for one thing I'm japanese and so I know quite a but about like japanese culture. I went to a Japnese secondary school until Middle school 2nd year and visited Japan and am basically a Japanese person, even though i was born in america. And so anyway with that out of the way, I didn't really read the whole post but i have a general idea of what you're saying. In Japan it's pretty common for kids to be like really perverted, but I suppose it's that way in a lot of places. And I guess some people just don't grow up, and kinda just hide their extreme pervertedness and kinda shelter themselves from society, and no shade to Touhou fandom but I'm pretty sure thats what a lot of the Touhou fanbase in Japan that cares like you know a lot about the characters they have all this time on their hands so they draw Touhou hentai lol. But, that's just my perspective as a japanese-american who basically grew up as a japanese kid. This is a popular series that has been carried by the numerous amount of fan work and is populated almost exclusively by various designs of female characters... And you question the possibility of the creation of R18 art and stories? Apologies, but to me that feels like handing a man a loaf of bread and ingredients and questioning why he made sandwiches. Your research is incredible and I value all of your efforts. I do not wish to demean your extensive research, however sometimes you just need to return to a root cause of why any R18 art or story happens in the first place. People get lonely and horny. When this happens, if they have a modicum of creative talent, they will do everything to make their lives less tragically empty by creating these pieces to satiate their inane and primal desires. Is a lot of it wrong and unfounded in the grand scheme of things? Yes! Without a doubt. Will it ever stop? Sadly no. Sometimes people never break up with their own fantasies. Your essay is worthy of a thesis, my friend. You've gone farther into the Lunar rabbithole than any man, woman, or what have you would even dare to fathom. In your search, you may have lost sight of a very simple answer, and that is that people have desires and will find ways to fulfill them. I thank you for your time and research, and I wish you a wonderful rest of your day. I skimmed through the entire post so I may have potentially missed someone mentioning this but my opinion is that it's based on three things. 1. Characters are generously clothed originally than most franchises and that's why it's more appealing. It reminds me of how Japan fetishized "Absolute territory" because the thought of seeing that smaller area of skin compared to seeing knee or ankle length socks is more arousing. For the 2hu equivalent, Reimu's armpits come to mind. I'd say this is the reason why full blown hentai games in this era aren't seeing as much fanart. When all the characters are already R18-fied, what's there more to draw? Dohna Dohna, Kuroinu are some of the good art H-media that comes to mind but you don't see that many fanart of them whether it be SFW or NSFW. Now I know someone might reply to me with Fate series being hentai visual novel too but they are still massively popular in doujins and you're correct but let me get to my other points too. 2. It's the fact that the (older) original drawings are quite bad that draws more artists to it. Think about it from an artist perspective. You just saw this badly drawn art and you know that no matter how or what style you draw the art of this same character in, you know you will easily top it. This allows for a wide spread of variety where you won't have most fans disagreeing with your art for "not drawing the character properly" unlike some people on Genshin Twitter for drawing the characters a smidge too tall/short or god forbid change their cup sizes. Thus artistic freedom is introduced but it doesn't just end there. This huge gap in artstyle (especially if its really good) plays on the natural human instinct of liking things that make you go "Woah that looks SOOO different than the original" trope. It's the reason why a nerd girl becoming sexy is popular. The reason why One Punch Man after reading its redrawn just makes you feel so good. And the reason why Sanic or Uganda Knuckles is so popular (though in its case, it's the reverse where it went from good to bad). But while something going from good to bad art makes its so much more memeable (Gyate Gyate, Yukkuri, etc) it's not exactly fappable. Bad to good however is. This now brings us to Fate again because this applies to the older Fate H games because despite the game being H, it has an arguably bad art with multiple characters sharing very similar facial features. 3. So OK we got the two main ingredients on why 2hu loods are popular. But why 2hu specifically? Why isn't a random Deviant artist taking off despite them fulfilling the first two criteria with their "Do not steal OCs?" It's the freedom that ZUN gives the artists and this is also mentioned by many already. But more importantly, its how popular it has become as well. Touhou has been here for a REALLY long time for as long as the Internet took off and it had the ability to cement itself and give itself a head-start popularity over other newer franchises. This leads into another human psyche where humans are generally attracted to popularity. Why does a few seconds of celebrity nude pic/vid leaks garnering so much more attention than full on sex pornstars? Popularity. The thought of a popular celebrity doing something lood excites many people no matter how tame it is compared to the other pre-existing loods. Anyway there are obviously many more variables but I think these three are the main contributors. Very SFW designs = More incentive to lood them. Badly drawn originals = More incentive to draw in artists. Game is already popular enough along with the birth of the internet allowing it to attract newer fans and artist who later stay for points 1 and 2. I think most people that read Touhou porn are not Touhou fans. There’s a big misconception in the anime circles that read a lot of hentai doujins that “Touhou is a hentai franchise” or whatever. I think this is just a case of people who don’t know Touhou, looking at fanart of Touhou, thinking they’re hot, then drawing hentai of them for an audience that usually are in it for the porn & not in it for the characters. The fact that Touhou is actually really big in Japan in terms of “doujin culture” for a VERY long time explains why there’s a lot of hentai doujinshis of it. It’s really not that deep. It’s just ppl that like hentai reading a bunch of hentai. And a bunch of independent artists seeing a popular franchise that allows you to easily create & sell fanworks of, making porn of that franchise for profit over the literal decades Touhou has been a popular & well-known cultural icon in Japanese Otaku culture. Touhou is just really popular in Japan. There’s a lot of fanworks based off of it which can be easily sold. Its got a bunch of female characters. Of course there’s gonna be a lot of porn based off of it. Count's comment: As for the "Touhou is a hentai franchise" part, I actually remember meeting people who had no idea what the series really is about saying that, probably based on some random lewd fanart seeing online with the "Touhou" tag strapped to it. I guess it's just people only scratching surface level and not really going to actually see what the franchise is about. Alright i'll try to answer you bit by bit, for "scientific" purpose ("scientific" guys c'mon) "Why is Touhou so prolific when it comes to R18 materials?" - already answered in the comments above (absolute freedom of expression given to the artists) You answer it yourself, it's simple really because they're allowed to, same with making porn out of real life character, you have to ask their consent about it ( if you know about the drama with Shadman and Keemstar's daughter, that's how not to do porno contents ). ZUN gave the pass so people just do it. Now, for the second question, hopefully better formulated this time: Why is R18 art so appealing? What is the thing that makes people like seeing their favorite characters in compromising poses, or having intercourse with a strange, faceless man? The faceless man is usually one of those things I found freaky. Why? Because one explanation for why people are usually faceless in such images/manga in the following: in order to make self-inserting possible. Basically, the idea is for you to be able to imagine yourself being the one making love with your favorite character. I can accept wholesome, consensual acts being depicted (I don't care if it's straight or yuri as long as there is some common sense), but at least please give those men some faces. It's the fetish and fantasy aspect, the simple describing i can give you is this, ever felt like when you hit puberty you look at a girl and be like "I wanna do wholesome thing to her like hugging and holding hand" but the thought of wanting to see her "naked and freaky" also exist? Yeah that's why. As for the need of the man in that fantasy to have a face, it doesn't have to, after all it's the fantasy and people tend to not want to self-insert them into those fantasy/fetish ( because they're aware it's weird, can you walk into a guy face and say "I want to fuck Reimu's armpit" unironically? Yep) they can just imagine the faceless guy is them. Now for the specific girl part: "Sanae did get some sort of "fanservice" reputation in the fandom, and I do not understand the reason why. Many people I ask refer to her as "Reimu, but fanservice", "Reimu, but with boobs" or simply as "doujin fam". Did this come to be just because of one doujin in which Sanae is called a "good girl"? Even the wiki mentions that doujin when referring to her fanon material." That but also in the canon, Sanae is from the Outside World (equivalent to our real life) before moving into Gensokyo with Suwako and Kanako so Sanae is like the closest you can get to a girl who live in a modern society like us. And this allow artist to depict her more freely, not just limited to the miko attire. "I am not very sure how Eirin got so high on her spot, even if it is just percentage-wise. Maybe he fact she might be as old as the world and her more womanly look have been a factor to ensure people they will not just end up drawing CP? (it is not like like Eirin is usually placed in the "old ladies club" of Gensokyo)" Memorable fight also lorewise she's the old and wise one (Brain of the Moon after all) help cater to people with older ladies taste couple with being a doctor (cater to the nurse/doctor outfit fetish too) Byakuren is interesting. I can imagine that her biker outfit from the fighters was a boost to this, but I am not sure how far you can actually go from that towards proper R-18 material. Yes the tight biker suit is why, also she has pretty signature hair and that's that. I also have one theory is that there're fetish that like to break stoic/righteous girl to debauchery giving that Byakuren is devoted to Bhuddism this could be the case. Reisen is probably another one of the more (in)famous cases. I know she is a bunny girl and all, therefore fanservice and smut fuel. An for further reference, I even did get a bit into the famous "Drunkards in Eintei" doujin, from where we got the famous "I'm just a useless little bunny, only good for my sex appeal", in order to see what gave people the decision to feature her so much in smut. It is funny how one simple line in a doujin just encouraged the tendency of having Reisen featured in H-doujins and art. Bunny girl + vest + skirt, do i need to say more, that's one hell of a combination, the possibilities bruddah. About Ran Yakumo, I am not very sure what to say. Probably association with Kitsune usually shaping as attractive women? Also the fanon meme of the "suppatenko" (exhibitionist Ran) or something... Fox girls and also she has Chen as her shikigami so it's open up to express her motherly trait in fanfiction (and sure as hell people love it, Fia in Elden Ring if you wanna know) Yorihime & Toyohime - I am honestly amazed they even get H-material, given how unpopular they are in the fandom. Maybe it is more about revenge stuff (not gonna mention the r-word) and that 1% made out of Fusu art (gonna get there soon)? Canonically they have children and is overqualified as MILF (do i need to say more?) Patchouli - probably coming from an interesting concept we, humans, have created - "the forbidden fruit". In this case, the principle is simple: the more clothes a character has on, covering everything, the greater the desire to see them without those clothes. This principle might work on all 2hus, given how much ZUN likes covering them with as much clothing as possible. And since Patchouli has all those robes on her...it becomes obvious. Is this how it works, or logic leaves me on this one? You're correct but it also has to do with reserved/bookworm girl tend to held back their sexual urge or feelings (nerd girl i think idk) matching both appearance and personality. There's also this trope of Asschouli but idk. Yuugi - really not sure what to say on her. Big buff woman, I guess? Muscle mommy, period. Yukari - the reasons seem to be obvious. However, I cannot really come up with them right now. A bit of help? Besides her "hag" status, her ability to manipulate border meaning you can get really creative with her in your fantasy, also her fight is memorable in 7. Sakuya - a bit and not so surprising at the same time to be in the category of characters with so much "saucy" works around her. How did this come to be? Is i a mutation of the pads meme? The only one such work I know is the one about Sakuya getting stuck through a wall (typical H-trope from what I can see - how do people even manage to get half stuck into something, especially a wall?) and people doing...stuff to her. She's a maid (maid fetish) and she's a direct reference to Jojo (specifically Dio), also has one the most memorable remix (Night of Night) which boost her popularity even more. Aya(yayaya) - look who fate has turned on... The one character fans tend to portray as a pervert taking panty shots has become victim herself of perversion (I am totally not paid by Hatate to say this). Anyway, interesting to see her placed so high on the top. Guess protagonist + nice design + already established fanon? She has a bit of monster girl design (wings), also people love to have a waifu who is also a bit of a troublemaker (in a harmless way of course) I will place Iku and Raiko together, since what I am going to say is mostly identical. None of them is very popular in terms of character. However, it is truly a surprise to see them ranking so high in terms of percent compared to other characters. They are also in my list of favorite characters, and so got my attention. I guess Raiko still has the fact she is a redhead going for her to motivate such "artistic" works. My take is that Iku relationship with Tenshi in the canon has that sort of like a "guardian" so people can express trait of caring and motherly for her. As for Raiko, she's the few of the girl in the series with modern depiction so it's interesting to see it at least. Keine - seriously, what can I say about her? I really have no idea. Memorable EX-boss fight and i guess people like girl who has multiple forms? (yeah i'm like you on this one bud) Yuuka - oh yeah. Also huh, another one of the 2hus from my personal top 10 favorites. I guess her fanon depiction has become fuel for some fetishes, and so a lot of fanservice? From what I have seen on Danbooru, most of her NSFW material tends to go from 0 to 100 real quick. From very mild, to very much not suitable for life and "this is such a bad day to have eyes". I faintly remember one of the quote about her in canon is her eyes are scary and from that one some people give her the trait of the sadistic so that's why you can see material about her ranging from very tame to very ouchy. Therapeutic vs Influential. Views on fiction concerning if consumers are influenced or if it's a form of therapy seems to be case nobody talks about especially that I observed the new generation mostly from the west (my observation) thinks all fiction is influential. Well, we do learn important lessons from novels, movies and games and what not, it's also important to know that fiction is therapeutic. When I was kid, I was curious what a pregnant lady would look like when her belly was cut clean in half and I could see what's inside, what are the flesh walls that disconnects from a woman's belly and the fetus (I know, very horrible morbid curiosity) but I didn't became a criminal because my parent's disciplined me right and I played GTA San Andreas; curiosity solved when I hacked a preggy lady with a katana. It's important to know that humans especially when they grow up would start to want something we never have or do something we never did, even if it's illegal, immoral, or even impossible, and we would find all the ways possible to satisfy it. It's just that we found out performing these things through drawings is the most harmless way possible. I guess compared to the Western entertainment industry (though I'm not against it, There are really good therapeutic western shows too), Asian animation industry understood that crave especially in Japan which is filled with the practice of Honor and strict discipline, decided to satisfy those craves through a nigh boundless exploration of free writing anime (which in these times, most are now called trash). I am not against the Influential theory either, it is true that there are people being influenced by fiction and commit crimes, when it comes down to it, it really just depends on the person if shows are therapeutic or influential, and we can't really do anything about cause if censorship wins fiction, crimes would be coming from the ones need therapy and if freedom of writing isn't categorizing it to tags and age restrictions, then most crimes would come from the influenced. Yes this is definitely related 2hu porn. I think the answer to some of your questions would simply be sum up in 1 word: doujinshi. Doujinshi scene in Japan is kind of one-of-a-kind, since the word itself basically means "publishing for people with the same interests", it's no surprise how popular the doujinshi scene is in Japan. With this, it led to a booming number of amateur/self-published works to flood the market, especially in case of Touhou which is a very old fandom in terms of a franchise. Since doujinshi itself is semi-protected by law (you can sell doujinshi for profits without any authorization, though of course still need to follow censorship law, unless it's mass produced or published by a bigger company), a lot of new artists make doujin to promote their works to a bigger audience. And there's no better place to "make it big" than jumping in an already established group like Touhou. That's why even till now Touhou is still sustaining itself with new works every day. Touhou even has its own Comiket with Touhou-only works so no surprise a lot of those works are later reposted to the Internet. For why "p0rn" seems to be popular, well, as you already said, "sex sells". Sex is one of human basic instinct that will probably be with us forever no matter how "evolved" we are. Human is one of the few species that do sexual acts for pleasure and not just for reproduction after all. In thise case, again, Japan is kinda unique here. In its history, there were famous Japanese artists who produced "adult" paintings before the "manga" term is born. The Japanese people themselves have somewhat unique view when it comes to sex unlike other Asian counterparts. Even now its sex industry is still thriving and even legalized so that's no surprise why sex sells, especially in Japan. As a fun trivia, a lot of franchises or works started as "adult games" (H-Visual Novel, like the Fate franchise for example). Regarding why Japan artists produce what you may call more "explicit" type of porn, we will have to go back to a lot of history which I can't recap (like how the lolicon culture become so popular in Japan) you may need to do your own research since they're, well, not so suitable on Reddit. But to sum it up I would say the reasons are the non-censorship approach from the government (they do have "soft" censorship requirements, but as long as you meet those reqs, you can do whatever), the influence from other culture (like BDSM/gore) and the fact that Japanese don't really go out of their way to criticize others for their fetishes and even normalize some of them. Touhou does not have any more R-18 fanworks than any other series, proportionally. You have looked at the percentage of R-18 fanart on pixiv touhou characters have, but have you compared them to characters from other franchises? Last I checked girls like Tifa or Samus had 40% R-18 content or something. Touhou has an overall average amount of porn among all fan content, there just is A LOT of fan content. Imma real with you OP, this subreddit isn't English Literature/Humanities class so idk why you're writing a thesis paper here To answer your question; this fandom is one of the cornerstone of otaku culture and has some of the ingredients of why it became so popular in the first place: It's been a thing since the early 2000's; 99% of the characters are anime girls with ZUN's unique style; there's variety for the type of anime girl that is waifu-able; you want a shrine maiden? a confident witch? a god complex fairy? a loyal maid? lots of possible yuri shipping? ZUN has you covered; also it helps that ZUN's policy to fanworks is lax so fanartists can go ham as much as they want. And for why the large amount of horni fanarts and doujins; this is human psychology we're talking about. Do you need to ask why? That's like asking why the sky is blue, birds fly, or why the Queen of UK still lives - they just do. It's a fact of life. My impression with you is that you're bothered with the amount of adult works for a franchise that isn't fanservice-heavy and you're in denial or finding some way to validate your conflicting feelings. Or at least that's what the first 3 paragraphs suggests. Personally, I LOVE the lewd content of a fandom - for me its a sign that the fandom is thriving and healthy. And more Yuuka fanarts, lewd or otherwise, the better for little ol' me. So yeah, next time maybe it'll help if you trim your post to like 3-4 paragraphs cuz that's honestly what the average redditor's attention span can read until they're bored of it and look for tldr or just skip the post. You do remind me of a friend of mine who is diagnosed with Autism or on its spectrum and he's very verbose for fear of "not getting the point across" if he does it short. Are you on the spectrum yourself OP? Edit: Okay I skimmed some of the post and comments; just to clarify that I am not into loli porn and I do not approve sexualization of them in case you're magnifying the "I love lewd content" line I said, and I want to say that OP please don't be offended if the tone of my comment seems to have no punches pulled but I just find it amusing that you're taking this topic way too seriously. Count's comment: more of a personal one this time - I may have (by imply) have been called an autist, but I guess this is the internet. If you can't take a joke, you have no plave on the internet (and maybe I am an autist - I never checked myself out to a doctor). I am not offended. I really do not have why to be so. This text could indeed be much shorter, but I felt I had quite a lot of things to get out of my chest. Everyone can like whatever they want, as long as it doesn't affect others irl. Thank you for making this! I've really wondered about this for a long time (ever since I've been a fan) and now have a more concrete answer. Honestly I couldn't care less if people like NSFW content but the fact in so many places degenerative behaviour is accepted and some of the more questionable content is talked a lot about I've always felt somewhat uncomfortable, especially when seeing gross / dehumanizing art of the characters. I think that some of the rampant degeneracy might be due in part that touhou is bordering on the line of anime as a niche series, to the point lots of fans / people on the outside of the fandom consider it anime, and so some of that degenerate / NSFW behaviour gets pulled in, but that is less solid fact and more what I think. I know people are gonna be perverts and stuff, it just always weirded me out as a fan of touhou purely for NSFW. I'm still not gonna shame anyone or anything like that for it, just wish the horny would be toned down a bit in more general places. Regardless, thanks for taking the time to talk! It's been an interesting read on something that doesn't get recorded with solid evidence / talking points much. To put it simply; it’s because the world is horny. Having almost all the of characters being girls + cool designs + popularity + free reign over the characters + the horniness of mankind makes Touhou a prime target for horny art Because girls. Touhou is a series with a massive female roster with unique/attractive characters. Of course that's going to draw the attention of many people fans and non fans alike. And people imagine themselves either getting sexually or romantically involved with such characters. The characters are physically attractive and a lot have interesting personalities. It's the same case as real life romance, they can't help but to feel attracted. Even if 2D. The faceless stuff is, as you said, is for self insert stuff. (Even though I prefer girl shipping so I don't really read that stuff). But like...it's people just enjoying what they enjoy. What's the big deal? It doesn't really matter. Europeans prefer they're own stuff and so do Asians. I'm perfectly fine seeing a NFSW version of whatever character. It's to be expected. Guys, don’t tell him about the 4chan posts, he’s scared enough. But on a serious note, one of the actual best ways to get into Touhou is to look at porn if it, mainly because of the sheer amount of fucking details they put into it. Plus most people who play touhou are: already into anime, or bullet hell games, have enough time to get into Touhou, and are most likely single. All of those things combined results in a lot of degenerative behaviour and hornyness. Question is, how much Touhou porn do you actively seek out. I’m assuming it’s not a lot and that might be because of the way you got introduced to the series. Count's comment: What if I was neither into anime nor bullet hell games when I got into Touhou? On a serious note, I really did get to explore these two only after I found this franchise in itself. There was something about it feeling so unique, different from anything I was used to up to that point. And as I fell down the hole, I started exploring more and more, always getting into something I would have not thought to explore mere months before. Most Touhou characters are cute and sassy, while ZUN always tries to double down in the "cute" part his art reads as a huge "do me fanart" for the japanese drawing community, who happen to have lots of male (I would have put young, but by this point after reading some comments of former navy men on stuff like Kancolle I decided a fox remains a fox his entire life). So yeah, a sassy and attractive young woman, what exactly did people expect? If you really want to know why there is so much hentai, it's because the doujin side of Touhou is so free, leading to a bunch of people choosing that franchise to practice their art or gain recognition. Hentai is no exception, and because the designs are really free to interperet, they can put them into a hell of a lot of situations. A lot of popular manga artists have drawn one or two touhou doujins. Holy hell, you could write a full novel. I'd say that an answer would be its anime-like art style combined with having nearly 200 characters to draw being fyu-hucked, most of which having different abilities allowing for people to draw different eye bleeders. I can and will stand by the opinion that if it exists, somebody has a fetish for it. Now why, in the world, does Eika have even a single R34 post? She's a damned child! You and your questions are so weird. "Why are people so horny?" Is this question for real? "why do they sexualize children?" aren't children adorable? "why unreal proportions?" bigger is always better Also, I guess the artists make bank with +18 doujins, and it might be easier to just borrow the cuties from 2hu instead of designing an original character. Alice is so hot, like so damn hot. Since they're used to drawing erotic stuff, the art the produce during their free time might be lewd, out of habit, and because it farms tons of likes on twitter. I personally don't like this culture either, I prefer drawings of girls getting cute outfits boosting their allure, instead of nudity to lure horny people, but Alice's doujins are so good, so delicious. Count's comment: big red flags in this comment, not gonna touch it with a 10 foot pole. All I can say right now is the following meme showing two utter extremes: I've chalked it up to 4 reasons: 1) Touhou has been around for a long enough time to cement itself as a prime doujinshi in the ero department 2) Due to Zun's leniency on copyright the abundancy of fanworks and doujin have grown to a community of talented ero artists 3) Variety: its got a lot of ero tags covered it has Cowgirls, Bunnygirls, Wolfgirls, Catgirls, Horns, Milfs, Lolis, Maids etc 4) Most people are looking for ero of franchises they don't know of to separate their ero waifus from their actual waifus as a result of touhou not being as known in the west its become the ideal option of creating ero without going through the effort of making a distinguished OC (at least that's my theory) I am just wondering how trash taste haven't talked about a Touhou doujinshi yet. Unrelated: ZUN discovering what the fandom has done with his characters It's more than just the sexual fancontent in itself it's the narrative that it has. For example (and this is based on the memes) here's a situation where a lecherous Touhou fan, probably much older than most characters, suddenly ends up in front of the Hakurei shrine... - Reimu: Young girl who is poor, isolated and lives alone (for the most part) - Perv 2hu fan: Offers money to Reimu in exchange for armpit pics, foot rubs and even "favors" because they have no morals whatsoever. Maybe the fan will even ignore her objections to such offers and/or take advantage of her anyway because she lives at a distance from the village and no one will hear her suffering. Reimu isn't real, sure, but a lot of girls live in the same conditions she does IRL and a situation like that could very well take place and that horrifies me which is why I find this aspect of fandoms in general unnerving—there are definitely fanbases far more toxic than Touhou's worst. It could very well be a reflection of just how desensitized people have become towards sex and how we turned our primal behavior (sex, violence, etc) into a commonplace theme. But that's just my personal take. Count's comment: Indeed, there seems to be some sort of desensitization to have taken place in the past few years. Not just with Touhou, but in general when it comes to the online medium at least. It is not like we live in a context in which people are becoming more and more horny for stuff, at least from like 2020 onwards. First we had Lady Dimitrescu (funny how a Romanian character became a waifu), then Samsung Sam and Akha (Zone). The newest frenzy is (or at least used to be) about the clown character from Ace Attorney (and "clussy"), while all artists went wild and drew the back of a V-tuber just because she turned her back to the people, and her dress had a big cleavage exposing a lot of skin. This whole thing is not just about Touhou, it happens with absolutely everything. However, I decided to focus it on Touhou because 1) this is a Touhou-centric community and 2) Touhou still holds the podium as series in terms of how passionate people are to create not-so-family-friendly content of the horny kind. Count's comment: ok, we discovered the average 2022 Touhou fan I didn’t read the entire post, but i dont think it’s too surprising. As you develop relationships with people of the opposite sex, i think its probably natural to occasionally think about them in this manner. Though creepy and invasive, you could probably even make drawings to explore those thoughts. The difference here is twofold: 1) You would be making guesses at something that actually exists, so it wouldn’t be very fulfilling. Also 3d art would probably be uncanny. 2) You would likely have to be the person to create that, as the likelihood that somebody else knows that same person and has already done so is (hopefully) zero. With the invention of AI, the possibility of those two points changing is becoming very real. That’s a frightening prospect to be sure, but it demonstrates my point that the desire to do so exists separate from touhou. So, why touhou? Well, I’d like to believe that zun did a good job giving his creation character. So as you play and replay, you develop a relationship with the characters and stories (triumphs and agonizing defeats) and the same thing occurs that i described above. Add in that its a fantasy world by nature, and you’re essentially begging peoples minds to wander. The character portraits give enough detail to capture the essence of the character, but it’s as if they’re being viewed through a cloudy mirror. So both their personality and actual physical traits can be developed upon. This lends itself to “building” a character with traits you like. I think you understand where that could lead people. Especially if you’re already selecting from the demographic that would be interested in this series to begin with. So, bullet 1 is resolved because 2d art is simpler to make look appealing. And you could make it quickly and cheaply. Also, because the original traits were merely suggestions, your nsfw art might as well be the real deal. That “is” what that character would look like, because there is no reality to judge against. Point 2 goes without saying that since it’s a popular series, you could be incentivized to create because there are is an audience for it. Excuse me while i clear my head, as i find the whole topic kind of gross. I enjoy touhou specifically because there is no fan service in the series itself. But i just dont find it surprising in the least. (somebody actually replied to the post above, giving an interesting point): I feel like people go through the opposite though? Over the years I've become so familiar with these characters that it actually starts feeling weird seeing them in the way they’re portayed in porn. To me it feels like seeing my irl friends naked. It feels weird. Although i don’t consider Touhou characters as “friends” in any way; I’m a writer, and i generally see them as characters with interesting stories that are interpreted in many interesting ways. Also, most people that like Touhou porn are usually not Touhou fans. There’s a common misconception among people that read a lot of hentai doujins that Touhou is a hentai franchise. The whole parasocial relationship thing may apply to stuff like vtubers or anime, however Touhou is a franchise where finding character dialogue at all is actually rather difficult. Spending time “hanging out” with a Touhou character to form a paradocial relationship with them is not something you can easily do. It’s really not that deep. I think it’s just ppl that like hentai reading a bunch of hentai (whether they know anything about Touhou or not). And a bunch of independent artists seeing a popular franchise that allows you to easily create & sell fanworks of, making porn of that franchise for profit over the literal decades Touhou has been a popular & well-known cultural icon in Japanese Otaku culture. People build careers & portfolios over Touhou fanworks in Japan. Makes sense that hentai artists would do the same, no? Touhou is just really popular in Japan. There’s a lot of fanworks based off of it which can be easily sold. Its got a bunch of female characters. Of course there’s gonna be a lot of porn based off of it. I’m sure there are a few fans out there that have parasocial relationships with Touhou characters. But i dunno, Touhou characters are not made to be appealing to men; in fact, a lot of them are downright unattractive personality-wise. You can see this especially in their characters designs; in most other franchises with lots of female characters, their character designs are usually almost always “tiddlating” & show a lot of skin or whatever to appeal to a degenerate male audience. On the other hand, almost all Touhou characters wear really big & poofy & pretty dresses that show little to no skin. This same applies to the characters’ personalities & such; they’re just not made to “appeal” like that. I think that’s probably why it’s also got a much larger female following than those other franchises with large casts of female characters. In many ways, I feel like Touhou has more similarities to a magical girl franchise that’s made to appeal to a female audience, than those “harem” type franchises made to appeal to a male audience. (and yet another reply): I think I understand where you're coming from, but I also think attraction is more broad than that. Sure, most "popular" anime-style products aim for that appeal. If you're investing that much money into a production, you're likely going to play it safe with the standard "sex sells". But the discussion is specifically about fanmade depictions. I can't imagine a more boring prospect than drawing porn of porn. If the characters are presented only as meat, then I don't see much of a lasting appeal. You get your fix and forget about it immediately. So where's the incentive in drawing characters from that franchise? I (personally) think a girl in a plain t-shirt or hoodie can be quite appealing. To go further, "tiddlating" presentations are uninteresting and an immediate turn-off. I don't feel comfortable generalizing that just because female characters aren't in revealing outfits, then it's automatically not for men. The touhou fashion style is "gothic lolita" which almost certainly can have its own charm. To your point, I would agree that women would be drawn to a series with positive female representation. I disagree with the notion that men wouldn't. I'll just go back to my "cloudy mirror" argument. The art is so underwhelming that it wraps around and becomes (potentially) scintillating again. Because you reimagine what they actually would look like, and that's what I imagine makes it fun. Count's comment: I was thinking a little bit about this, and there are some valid points. After spending a while with a series, experiencing it, you might end up creating some connections. Be them admiration, respect or just enjoying that thing. It is just how much you like that thing, and how willing you feel to see that thing you like getting perverted. I mean for a long time I felt confused and had mixed feeling in processing the idea of seeing my favorite characters in less than family-friendly situations and depictions. I have already mentioned towards the end of the thread how my contact with this whole topic has been, and how things have changed in time. But I might be able to see why people would enjoy this sort of thing. However, one question: is this actually you liking the thing, the characters, the way they are designed and their personalities, or is it just a way to cope with the lack of something in real life? Because I can see the latter as possible as well. Trying to use cutely drawn anime-style girls in order to fill an empty spot in your soul, which perhaps could have been filled in other ways. And this counts for the both the more or less whole things and situations we may put the 2hus in, given the freedom of creation given to the fans. (Got this in reply): I’m not well versed enough in philosophy, but i think those two concepts might be inseparable. Things make you happier. Well, that necessarily meant you were missing something before. So anything that makes you happy is merely coping with the lack of something. But perhaps that reading is too pedantic. I think a lot of people turn to nsfw stuff because they are bored, and it’s a simple, effective way to occupy your time and feel something “positive”. You and i would likely both argue that immediate gratification isn’t actually a positive, but still. It’s not too different than vegging out and watching tv on the couch all day. It’s just that little bit cheaper, as it’s better understood how to excite a sexual response in a person than a feeling of awe (from art, music, etc). On the other end of the spectrum is learning an instrument (or how to play a difficult videogame, ). Perhaps more fulfilling, but less immediate. At the end of the day, I’d avoid shaming people at all costs for how they choose to spend their time. I disagree with it, but it’s perfectly rational and it’s not like i know their situations. Well that was honestly a bit of a doosy to read through. Well I kinda glossed over some bits I honestly dont think this subject has been touched on all that much as of late and I think its something that should be touched on, especially regarding this subreddit for the past several months. Count's comment: by "the past several months", user most likely refers to Fusu-posting era, followed by the rise of the name XG3E weeb and then classic cookie-cutter Touhou video format based on cropped hentai thumbnail and random content in the video itself. I find it interesting that once the Fusu floodgate got closed, soon afterwards this happened https://youtu.be/ArlLLg-s8cw. Which in itself has opened up another floodgate that still has to run out of steam. In a way, it seemed liked a natural progression, and due to a lack of regulation or people complaining (and creating a counter-movement - I still remember those days), the format ended up being overused and a cheap way for people to get attention. Slap a cropped hentai image for thumbnail, perhaps crop a few more or just use some thicc fanart for the cookie cutter video, and you got yourself all the attention in the world by baiting in horny people. It most likely has to do with the recent resurgence in touhou's popularity attracting a whole bunch of new people. Though I think the floodgates with the horny stuff on this subreddit were opened when the whole Fusu thing went down. Tho to be completely fair, I don't know the current state of that content on this sub because I have blocked a bunch of the horny posters, so my assessment of this content on the sub as of now is probably not the most accurate. As someone who is an outsider to the Touhou community and has been browsing this subreddit from time to time over the last year as well as from my time looking at Touhou fanart(both SFW and NSFW), I feel that this is a subject that should really be talked about more. One of my biggest questions about the entire community is why is there so much nsfw art. And now to finish, just getting a bit more of Fusu, point-of-view art, empty love confessions (+ sex) and repetitive content, because why not. Actually, becuase there will remain in hstory a time when r/touhou was clogged with his art, which drove many to despair back then (and lead to some of the images including the one I have used in the opening of the post) (source - https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/wjld05/whats_wrong_with_fusus_art/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Random Fusu art piece used to illustrate the concept discussed below. For obvious reasons, I have gone with a safe for work image I never thought there was nothing wrong with Fusu's artwork. I kinda enjoy them. I prefer to see the Touhous as tender, submissive and even amorous sweethearts rather than these overpowered, malevolent and homicidal bitches. I found it to have weird undertones and I disliked how the characters basically had the same personality so I drew a parody. Then the sub got swathed with similar memes. Oops. It was oversaturated for a while, also UwU-ification of the Touhou girls. But yes there are weird arse double standards with content people despise and content they love. Hell even what people can and can't post on this reddit has weird double standards. Maybe it's the same as Hammer? Where their fanart went from wholesome and cute to horny in the blink if an eye? And so people are miffed that Fusu is only drawing hentai now instead of some kind of balance between the two? [Count's comment: Fusu has not drawn a signle safe-for-work image since November last year. If you have the "keep out R18 content" filter activated on Pixiv, you will not see anything new in his art list since 10 months ago, but you will know he has been busy with a quick check on Danbooru] The fact that all characters act like generic anime girls and shipping them with the viewer just seems kinda sad (this may be harsh to some but I don't know how to phrase it other way). Also personally I'm not too fond of hentai but that's just me. Tbh nothing was wrong with the art itself, I feel like a large amount of the problem people had was the fact that it was being posted too frequently according to them, and they were sucking up all of the upvotes from other posts that deserved them more in their eyes. And that's a fine PoV to have, they were highly upvoted iirc, but also I browse on new rather than top / hot so idk for sure. I'm a bit biased because I kind of liked the art style and didn't really bother reading most of the translations (after the first few I got the idea pretty quick lol) [for better formatting, I will leave this here] 1) The art itself is degrading, and takes, shall we say, great liberties with the 2hus' characterizations for the sole purpose of titillating the viewer. It's neckbeard-bait, plain and simple. And Touhou as I like it is the antithesis of neckbeard-bait. 2) Someone was spamming it virtually nonstop at one point on this sub. And whether due to the initial novelty of the thing, the horniness of the average redditor, or bots, those posts got lots of upvotes and shot to the top of Hot more often than not. Even people who initially didn't mind it eventually got sick of it. Conclusion: the only thing I still had questions about was why people act depraved when it comes to the existence of such art and content. They act like a monkey in heat, as if they never seaw a woman in their life.
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  6. Recently, I have found a surprisingly interesting thread on r/touhou in regards to the history of Touhou popularity polls. Therefore, I would like to share it in here. I might add a few notes here and there, but I will try to keep this mostly the same way the original author wrote it. Every Touhou Popularity Poll Important Infos and Analysis (2003~2021) https://namu.wiki/w/%EB%8F%99%EB%B0%A9%20%EC%9C%84%ED%82%A4%20%EC%9D%B8%EA%B8%B0%ED%88%AC%ED%91%9C So in Korean wiki, there is a section of every Touhou Popularity Poll votes and info and analysis written by various people throughout the years but unfortunately, all of it is in Korean. So I decided to translate all of it by myself. It's worth it because most of them are fun to read. NOTE - There may be some info that is wrong or incorrect. Before I get started, there are some basic information and sites you have to see first. https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Project_Popularity_Poll Official HomePage - https://toho-vote.info/ Past Touhou Popularity Poll Results - https://toho-vote.info/results Official Twitter - https://twitter.com/toho_vote This year Touhou Popularity Poll starts in 2022-09-17 00:00 ~ 2022-09-24 20:00 (probably in JST) Newest Poll (2021) Fraud Correction - https://maribelhearn.com/thvote/extras#fraud Newer characters are becoming harder to get into high ranks (1~20) at first time so nowadays it's very rare to see a sudden star character debut. Highest debut ranks 1 - Hata no Kokoro ranked 15 at 10th poll. Highest debut ranks 2 - Kishin Sagume ranked 14 at 12th poll. Highest debut ranks 3 - Yorigami Shion ranked 15 at 15th poll. Honor of Fame 1 - 1~11th because all the characters in here never changed dramatically ever since 11th poll. (Reimu - Marisa - Koishi - Youmu - Sakuya - Flandre - Remilia - Satori - Alice - Mokou - Aya) Honor of Fame 2 - In recent polls, Remilia theme and Flandre theme almost always gets in the 1st or 2nd place in the music category, so you can consider the 3rd place as 1st, since that place frequently changes. (generally considered as) Highest Rank Gatekeeper - Hong Meiling (generally considered as) Middle Rank Gatekeeper - https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Jinyou Voting for Touhou official works started in 12th poll and after that, the 1st~6th rank is literally always the same. (TH6 EoSD - TH8 IN - TH7 PCB - TH10 MoF - TH11 SA - TH15 LoLK) There is a funny meme called Aki Sand ( 秋サンド ), because Aki sisters from Mountain of Faith are not famous and has low popularity so, it became a basic criteria of who is unpopular, and who is between them. [by "sand", the author most likely referred to the (in)famous "Aki Sandwitch" usually forming in the popularity poll (CVN's note)] 5th Okazaki Yumemi First Aki Sand 6th X Both sisters stuck 49th and 50th 7th Kaenbyou Rin 47th 8th Daiyousei 47th 9th X Both sisters stuck 51th and 52th NicoNico Popularity Poll Eirin, Koakuma, Yamame Aki Big Mac 10th Rinnosuke 65th 11th Okazaki Yumemi Yumemi Aki Sand 2nd time 12th Okazaki Yumemi Yumemi Aki Sand 3rd time 13th Lunasa Prismriver 77th 14th Lunasa, Rinnosuke, Toramaru Shou, Teireida Mai Aki Mega Mac 15th Shinki, Yumemi Yumemi Aki Sand 4th time 16th X Both sisters stucked 96th and 97th 17th (Fraud correction) X Both sisters stucked 93th and 94th (Literally Yumemi became a strawberry sand) And so it begins. 1st Touhou Popularity Poll (2003-02-13 ~ 2003-04-06) Character 1 Izayoi Sakuya 95 1 Kirisame Marisa 95 3 Hakurei Reimu 61 4 Cirno 51 5 Patchouli Knowledge 46 Music 1 Septette for the Dead Princess 81 2 U.N. Owen was her? 77 3 Shanghai Alice of Meiji 17 49 4 Lunar Clock ~ Luna Dial 47 5 Doll Judgment ~ The girl who played with people's shapes 45 Total Votes = Character : 544, Music : 678 Very first poll after the release of Embodiment of Scarlet Devil (TH6) and trial version release of Perfect Cherry Blossom (TH7). The poll period was quite long because character voting period and music voting period was done in a different dates. You could vote the characters from Touhou old works from PC-98 era and Seihou project. You could 1 vote for 3. You couldn't 'choose' the voting category, you had to write it down. (More correctly, the very first voter had to write the category.) So, the 0 voted category couldn't get in the results. 2nd Touhou Popularity Poll (2003-09-14 ~ 2003-09-27) Character 1 Izayoi Sakuya 564 2 Kirisame Marisa 532 3 Hakurei Reimu 293 4 Prismriver Sisters 260 5 Konpaku Youmu 254 Music 1 Phantom Ensemble 448 2 Septette for the Dead Princess 383 3 U.N. Owen was her? 357 4 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 334 5 Necrofantasia 311 Total Votes = Character : 1195, Music : 945 Release of Perfect Cherry Blossom (TH7). Character voting was point system: You could give 1 point for each 3 or 3 points for one character. Music was 1 vote for 5. (I will skip the spell card category) Prismriver Sisters was made into a group in the category. EXTRA (2004-05-16 ~ 2004-05-29) Character 1 Kirisame Marisa 7094 2 Izayoi Sakuya 7069 3 Hakurei Reimu 4507 4 Yakumo Yukari 4395 5 Konpaku Youmu 4105 Total Votes = 52117 Trial version release of Imperishable Night (TH8) and Motion Verification Edition release of Immaterial and Missing Power (TH7.5) In the period of 2 weeks, you could 1 vote for 3 one day, and the next day, and the next day, until the poll ends. (Battle Royale by fans) Characters from secondary creation was also possible to vote. Highest Total Votes EVER = 52117 3rd Touhou Popularity Poll (2004-10-17 ~ 2004-10-23) Character 1 Kirisame Marisa 2284 2 Konpaku Youmu 1802 3 Izayoi Sakuya 1746 4 Saigyouzi Yuyuko 1502 5 Reisen Udongein Inaba 1482 Music 1 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 448 2 Love-coloured Master Spark 383 3 Phantom Ensemble 357 4 Necrofantasia 334 5 U.N. Owen was her? 311 Total Votes = Character : 4942, Music : 3525 Release of Imperishable Night (TH8) and Curiosities of Lotus Asia (Book) Character voting system became similar as nowadays: 1st - 2 votes, 2nd and 3rd - 1 vote. Same as last time, Music was 1 vote for 5. Marisa won the 1st. Disappearance of Hakurei Reimu. (6th) Prismriver Sisters became a separated categories starting this poll. Udongein got a nickname called '新参ホイホイ' (Newcomer Hoi Hoi) which was a negative meaning because many newcomers who got into Touhou were attracted by Udongein. (oldbie - newbie enmity) ["Newcomer Hoi Hoi", based on the description, might be an alternative name for "newcomer bait", which is alternatively used for characters like Reisen (CVN's note)] 4th Touhou Popularity Poll (2005-12-18 ~ 2005-12-24) Character 1 Kirisame Marisa 1301 2 Hakurei Reimu 1245 3 Izayoi Sakuya 1165 4 Saigyouzi Yuyuko 919 5 Alice Margatroid 895 Music 1 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 1210 2 Wind God Girl 951 3 U.N. Owen was her? 864 4 Necrofantasia 855 5 Phantom Ensemble 838 Total Votes = Character : 4426, Music : 3801 Release of Immaterial and Missing Power (TH7.5), Phantasmagoria of Flower View (TH9), Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red (Book). Sakuya Pad meme, but not enough to go back to 1st. 5th Touhou Popularity Poll (2008-02-10 ~ 2008-02-16) Character 1 Hakurei Reimu 3927 2 Kirisame Marisa 3867 3 Shameimaru Aya 3774 4 Izayoi Sakuya 3154 5 Remilia Scarlet 3083 Music 1 U.N. Owen was her? 448 2 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 383 3 Necrofantasia 357 4 Septette for the Dead Princess 334 5 Native Faith 311 Total Votes = Character : 12220, Music : 10787 Touhou main games took a break so the poll took a break as well, so around 2 years in between the old and new poll. Release of Perfect Memento in Strict Sense (Book), Shoot the Bullet (TH9.5), Mountain of Faith (TH10) Nico Nico Douga and Pixiv appeared. Total votes tripled the last time. The number of votes in the character category increased to 5 while maintaining the recommended vote method. (1st - 2 votes, 2~5th - 1 vote) Hakurei Reimu won the 1st for the first time. Shameimaru Aya was super popular in nico nico and Pixiv and won the 3rd. 'Newcomer Hoi Hoi' meaning was changed into 'new character that's popular in nico nico or Pixiv'. So 2nd newcomer hoi hoi = Aya 6th Touhou Popularity Poll (2009-01-18 ~ 2009-01-24) Character 1 Hakurei Reimu 5739 2 Izayoi Sakuya 5433 3 Kirisame Marisa 5380 4 Kochiya Sanae 5315 5 Remilia Scarlet 4945 Music 1 Septette for the Dead Princess 4896 2 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 4831 3 U.N. Owen was her? 4489 4 Necrofantasia 3919 5 Satori Maiden ~ 3rd Eye 3869 Total Votes = Character : 22087, Music : 18774 Release of Subterranean Animism (TH11), Scarlet Weather Rhapsody (TH10.5). Total votes doubled the last time. Kochiya Sanae won the 4th. 3rd newcomer hoi hoi. Dramatic fall by Shameimaru Aya. (3rd → 11th) Because of Ultimate Sadistic Creature meme, Kazami Yuka has risen. (20th → 9th) 7th Touhou Popularity Poll (2010-02-07 ~ 2010-02-13) Character 1 Hakurei Reimu 7731 2 Kochiya Sanae 7221 3 Kirisame Marisa 6766 4 Izayoi Sakuya 6763 5 Remilia Scarlet 6747 Music 1 Septette for the Dead Princess 6607 2 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 6071 3 Emotional Skyscraper ~ Cosmic Mind 5591 4 U.N. Owen was her? 5559 5 Satori Maiden ~ 3rd Eye 5528 Total Votes = Character : 33449, Music : 28110 Release of Undefined Fantastic Object (TH12). Kochiya Sanae won the 2nd because of appearance as a player character. Reimu won the 1st 3 times in a row. 8th Touhou Popularity Poll (2011-02-13 ~ 2011-02-19) Character 1 Hakurei Reimu 8175 2 Izayoi Sakuya 7246 3 Kazami Yuka 7192 4 Remilia Scarlet 6920 5 Kirisame Marisa 6750 Music 1 Septette for the Dead Princess 6770 2 Emotional Skyscraper ~ Cosmic Mind 6344 3 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 5830 4 U.N. Owen was her? 5777 5 Satori Maiden ~ 3rd Eye 4864 Total Votes = Character : 35946, Music : 29285 Release of Double Spoiler (TH12.5), Great Fairy Wars (TH12.8), Wild and Horned Hermit (Comic). Reimu won the 1st 4 times in a row. Marisa dropped down from 3rd to 5th, Sanae dropped down from 2nd to 6th. There was hardly any no appearance of Kazami Yuka after TH9 release but reached the 3rd. (All time ranking by Kazami Yuka) 13 → 26 → 34 → 21 (TH9) → 20 → 9 → 7 → 3 So Kazami Yuka is the 4th newcomer hoi hoi. 9th Touhou Popularity Poll (2012-02-19 ~ 2012-02-25) Character 1 Hakurei Reimu 9583 2 Alice Margatroid 9265 3 Izayoi Sakuya 8635 4 Remilia Scarlet 8205 5 Kirisame Marisa 8028 Music 1 Septette for the Dead Princess 7331 2 U.N. Owen was her? 6742 3 Emotional Skyscraper ~ Cosmic Mind 6328 4 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 6261 5 The Gensokyo the Gods Loved 5362 Total Votes = Character : 43737, Music : 32842 Another notable increase in total votes. Release of Ten Desires (TH13). Reimu won the 1st 5 times in a row. 2nd place by Alice. (7th → 2nd) So 5th newcomer hoi hoi. One of the main reason was because of new MMD model and it got popular. Mononobe no Futo debut rank is 19th. Dramatic rise by Ibaraki Kasen. (8th 62 → 9th 26) Septette for the Dead Princess won the 1st 3 times in a row. Converting ranking results into age became a thing this time and Nagae Iku (30th) and Futatsuiwa Mamizo (60th) became a meme. 2nd highest total votes. 5th Nicodosai Touhou Popularity Poll (2013-06-09 ~ 2013-06-16) Character 1 Hakurei Reimu 6430 2 Komeiji Koishi 5992 3 Kirisame Marisa 5895 4 Flandre Scarlet 5311 5 Alice Margatroid 5271 Music 1 Septette for the Dead Princess 5428 2 U.N. Owen was her? 5269 3 Emotional Skyscraper ~ Cosmic Mind 5016 4 Hartmann's Youkai Girl 4582 5 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 4109 Official Page - https://nicodosai.com/5th/vote/result Total Votes = Character : 18403, Music : 14108 There was no new official Touhou game so poll was postponed 1 year, so Touhou Nicodosai held their own Touhou popularity poll. Kazami Yuka dropped down from 7th to 12th. Mononobe no Futo dropped down from 19th to 26th. Dramatic rise by Komeiji Koishi (14th → 2nd). 10th Touhou Popularity Poll (2014-02-23 ~ 2014-03-01) Character 1 Hakurei Reimu 7314 2 Kirisame Marisa 6495 3 Komeiji Koishi 6063 4 Izayoi Sakuya 5848 5 Flandre Scarlet 5488 Music 1 Septette for the Dead Princess 4847 2 U.N. Owen was her? 4771 3 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 3836 4 Emotional Skyscraper ~ Cosmic Mind 3827 5 Hartmann's Youkai Girl 3539 Total Votes = Character : 31040, Music : 23283 Release of Hopeless Masquerade (TH13.5) and Double Dealing Character (TH14) Reimu won the 1st 7 times in a row. Koishi dropped down from 2nd to 3rd. Mononobe no Futo dropped down from 26th to 35th. Hata no Kokoro debut rank is 15th. Usami Renko reached 37th. Most of TH14 characters debut ranks are low.* [CVN's note - it seems like starting with Touhou 14, if not earlier, characters from latest released game no longer make it into Top 10 soon after release; situation continues up to nowadays] 11th Touhou Popularity Poll (2015-05-24 ~ 2015-05-31) Character 1 Komeiji Koishi 7859 2 Hakurei Reimu 7332 3 Kirisame Marisa 7227 4 Izayoi Sakuya 6241 5 Flandre Scarlet 5972 Music 1 U.N. Owen was her? 5820 2 Septette for the Dead Princess 5435 3 Hartmann's Youkai Girl 4342 4 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 3862 5 Kobito of the Shining Needle ~ Little Princess 3663 Total Votes = Character : 32244, Music : 20843 Release of Impossible Spell Card (TH14.3), Urban Legend in Limbo (Th14.5). Komeiji Koishi won the 1st for the first time. Usami Renko has risen from 37th to 22nd. Kijin Seija has risen from 56th 27th. 12nd Touhou Popularity Poll (2016-01-10 ~ 2016-01-17) Character 1 Hakurei Reimu 15427 2 Kirisame Marisa 10969 3 Komeiji Koishi 10913 4 Izayoi Sakuya 10195 5 Flandre Scarlet 9844 Music 1 U.N. Owen was her? 12088 2 Septette for the Dead Princess 11644 3 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 7640 4 Hartmann's Youkai Girl 7430 5 Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke 6974 Total Votes = Character : 42419, Music : 32356 This time you could vote up to 7 characters, 10 songs. Release of Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom (Th15). 1st ~ 5nd rank become same as the 10th poll. Kishin Sagume debut rank is 14th. Clownpiece debut rank is 23rd. Junko debut rank is 31st. Hecatia Lapislazuli debut rank is 43rd. Dramatic fall by Hijiri Byakuren with no apparent reason. (26th → 40th) 3rd highest total votes. 13rd Touhou Popularity Poll (2017-01-15 ~ 2017-01-21) Character 1 Hakurei Reimu 10674 2 Kirisame Marisa 8990 3 Komeiji Koishi 8874 4 Konpaku Youmu 8495 5 Izayoi Sakuya 8284 Music 1 U.N. Owen was her? 9513 2 Septette for the Dead Princess 9367 3 Hartmann's Youkai Girl 6070 4 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 5874 5 Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke 5728 Total Votes = Character : 36727, Music : 27694 Probably the first time ever that nothing is worth mentioning. Total votes started to decrease for a while. 14th Touhou Popularity Poll (2018-01-14 ~ 2018-01-20) Character 1 Hakurei Reimu 8574 2 Kirisame Marisa 7386 3 Komeiji Koishi 7238 4 Konpaku Youmu 6936 5 Izayoi Sakuya 6529 Music 1 U.N. Owen was her? 7409 2 Septette for the Dead Princess 7235 3 Pure Furies ~ Whereabouts of the Heart 4962 4 Hartmann's Youkai Girl 4866 5 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 4710 Total Votes = Character : 32065, Music : 23648 Release of Hidden Star in Four Seasons (TH16) and Antinomy of Common Flowers (15.5) Same 1st~5th as the last time. Yorigami Shion debut rank is 15th. Dramatic rise by Doremy Sweet (70th → 27th) Junko Theme 'Pure Furies ~ Whereabouts of the Heart' rank is 3rd. (Owen and Septette is always in 1st and 2nd so technically Pure Furies can be considered as 1st.) 15th Touhou Popularity Poll (2019-01-27 ~ 2019-02-02) Character 1 Hakurei Reimu 6887 2 Kirisame Marisa 5950 3 Konpaku Youmu 5801 4 Komeiji Koishi 5579 5 Remilia Scarlet 5453 Music 1 Septette for the Dead Princess 5757 2 U.N. Owen was her? 5529 3 Pure Furies ~ Whereabouts of the Heart 4232 4 Hartmann's Youkai Girl 3686 5 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life 3625 Total Votes = Character : 23883, Music : 17951 Release of Violet Detector (TH16.5) Yorigami Joon risen from 54th to 36rd. Yorigami sister theme 'Tonight Stars an Easygoing Egoist' has risen from 22nd to 13rd. Koishi was 3rd 3 times in a row but now dropped down to 4th because of Youmu. 16th Touhou Popularity Poll (2020-06-07 ~ 2020-06-13) Character 1 Konpaku Youmu 9841 2 Hakurei Reimu 8913 3 Komeiji Koishi 8865 4 Kirisame Marisa 8626 5 Flandre Scarlet 8497 Music 1 U.N. Owen was her? 8568 2 Septette for the Dead Princess 8239 3 Hartmann's Youkai Girl 6204 4 Entrusting This World to Idols ~ Idolatrize World 5655 5 Pure Furies ~ Whereabouts of the Heart 5351 Total Votes = Character : 34573, Music : 25919 Poll name has been turned from 'Touhou Wiki Popularity Poll' to 'Touhou Project Popularity Poll'. Release of Wily Beast and Weakest Creature (TH17). Konpaku Youmu has won the 1st for the first time. Haniyasushin Keiki debut rank is 36th. Kitcho Yachie debut rank is 46th. Komano Aunn dropped down from 60th to 83rd. Ibaraki Kasen has risen from 49th to 35th. Ibuki Suika has risen from 43th to 31th. Toyosatomimi no Miko has risen from 40th to 29th. 'Entrusting This World to Idols ~ Idolatrize World' debut rank is 4th. Total votes has been risen. 17th Touhou Popularity Poll (2021-09-26 ~ 2021-10-03) [Fraud correction] Character 1 Konpaku Youmu 12951 2 Kirisame Marisa 11186 3 Hakurei Reimu 11404 4 Komeiji Koishi 10683 5 Flandre Scarlet 10335 Music 1 U.N. Owen was her? 11848 2 Septette for the Dead Princess 9498 3 Entrusting This World to Idols ~ Idolatrize World 7107 4 Hartmann's Youkai Girl 6211 5 Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke 5921 Total Votes = Character : 40363, Music : 30104 Release of Unconnected Marketeers (TH18) Konpaku Youmu has won the 1st 2 times in a row. Marisa has beaten Reimu after 13 years (since 4th poll). Dramatic rise by Murasa Minamitu (70th → 51st) Cirno is 18th. Came into the first 20 after the 6th poll. Yuyuko is 10th. Came into the first 10 after the 6th poll. Highest debut rank is Tenkyuu Chimata which is 44th. 'Entrusting This World to Idols ~ Idolatrize World' has risen to 3rd rank. Fraud Correction Result - https://maribelhearn.com/thvote/extras#fraud Video worthy of watching - https://youtu.be/6djt62Bq6js - 18th Touhou Popularity Poll (2022-09-17 ~ 2022-09-24) [Soon] This section is some of my analysis after writing down all of these. Dramatic debut by new characters is very rare to see (ex Sagume) but if that character appears more in official works and became famous, it can make a breakthrough in the highest rank (ex Koishi). In case of music rank, if a certain music gets good evaluation and become famous, it shows in the poll almost right away since some reached the 3rd~4th rank. Credit for the original thread goes to u/shinobu_iw https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/wzs2c6/every_touhou_popularity_poll_important_infos_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
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  7. Well, at least there has been no alleged voting fraud this year... It's been a day already since the results have been published, and let's ay it has been interesting. Flandre is the absolute queen this year, having won not only the character vote, but also the music section as well (and works too by extension with EoSD ranking #1 spot). After one day, I thought things would clear up in terms of how to treat the results of the popularity poll. However, the only thing I feel now is sheer disappointment. "I am not mad, just disappointed" applies perfectly here. About what exactly to be disappointed? I feel like slowly starting to descend into a hate phase, especially towards EoSD and all the "normie"/basic bitch stuff regarding Touhou. This is not healthy, so I may need help for getting over it. Why has Flandre won this year? There are a few reasons everyone talks about. 1) General character appeal - I never really cared about Flandre as a character. 2) Flandre came back after 20 years not only as a feature, but also as playable in an official game - I do not care about 17.5 more than just "funny goat with spork" and Stage 3 theme. 3) Fanon reinforcement especially in recent times - I seriously could not care more about Internet Survivor (I honestly believe it is a forgettable song - listened to it once, then never wanted/did not care to listen again). But yeah, after all, I am also that kind of idiot who casts his vote on characters like Akyuu, Eiki or Raiko, so who the hell am I to talk. I guess I might also be salty for the fact everyone I voted for has fallen in popularity, some by quite a bit. But for something more interesting, the results since the first popularity poll updated: Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/xmsrce/top_25_touhou_popularity_poll_results_through_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 But let's see what others think about this year's results. Mine are not very relevant, so better just stick with the masses. Appear as an extra boss in a 2002 game Refuse to elaborate further Never appear again Become one of the most popular characters Reappear 20 years later to kill an oil-addicted goat Reach #1 in the popularity poll (guy forgot about Internet Survivor) "Why is Hecatia increasing in popularity? She's nowhere near the top, of course, but going from 42 to 34 to 29 looks like a pretty big uptick to me. Probably a bit due to the mobile game (Touhou Lost Word), since she’s a prominent character there and a strong unit." "Marisa Second Place [:Marisad:]. Edit: I counted the amount of times Marisa has ended up in 2nd place. This is the 10th time she has gotten 2nd place." Time to check in on your picks Wriggle has jumped for the second year in a row, yaaay brainrot is spreading Seija remains around 30-ish Shimmy has dropped again. Consider the following: Wriggle is now more popular than Shinmyoumaru. Okuu remains in the 35-40 range, Byakuren remains in the 45-50 range. It's so weird that they're not higher. Maybe it's an english vs. japanese fandom thing. Nue remains in the 40-45 range. I love Nue but it seems super weird that she's more popular than Byakuren. Cirno is at 15! She's making a comeback. OTHER THINGS I would like to shout out to the person that picked Salt Merchant as their #1. Despite Cirno rising, Daiyousei continues to fall super hard. Fanon is no longer helping On the flipside, Koakuma is rising super hard for no reason. Fanon is helping Kogasa and Kokoro have left the top 20, Rumia and Suwako have re entered. I guess it's brainrot from someone. Shout out to Kutsutsura, the least popular Touhou. I would think that a Touhou character's shoes would have some fans. "There's two people (count them, 2!) that voted for Kasen's arm as their favourite character. Let me repeat that. Two. Who voted for an arm. As their favourite character. Over the character the arm belongs to." "Honestly considering what I see of the fandom I'm surprised that there wasn't some giant collaborative effort to get Cirno to come 9th... (none that I saw at least, certainly not a successful one)" [best description I have seen for Touhou 17.5]: "Disabled backdoor woman busts locked child out of a basement to kill an oil addicted goat" "I don't think so. I'm thinking it is due Flandre depicts an important part of Touhou Project like the Creeper would mean for Minecraft despite is a character that isn't too frequently present in canon but along with the years as much people was joining in the fandom, people began to embody who's Flandre by fanworks that were created and her music from EoSD. I'd say Flandre is a characters that does better in fanon that canon after all and not just because Internet Survivor, Lost Word (Gouyoku Ibun or Cheating Detective Satori in Canon), it's been all. I'm more impressed by the fact this is the year where people voted the most." "I’m honestly not surprised, and to be honest I would’ve put in a vote for her since she’s growing on me as of recent, but I ran out of slots. I think there was a perfect storm for Flandre to take first place this year for a couple of reasons: 1) EoSD’s 20th anniversary. 2) Flandre’s sudden return to the games in 17.5, and as a playable character for that matter. 3) Internet Survivor Flandre being released just about a month ago. 4) Flandre receiving a popular and powerful alt in LostWord. These are just a few that came to my mind. Now normally I would have a rant about EoSD constantly overshadowing other games in the series in popularity polls but given that it was its 20th anniversary this year, I think it’s fair that it receives the spotlight this year. I’m glad Marisa got 2nd place at least." "Kinda sad that the vote for music almost the same like last year. Kinda hope for more people to listen the underrated one." "Yuyuko has lost, henceforth, as I promised, I have punched someone. Also why the hell is TENSHI so low?" "Jeez, she won in all three categories, of course in games and music it'd be hard for other things to win but the difference between first and second was really small." "and beatMARIO are unstoppable" "Alright, alright, I know there’s going to be lot of salt and discussion about the character polls especially with flan winning, but lets talk about the real upset here. That’s right we’re talking about the music votes, specifically, the sheer *disrespect* for the songs on the music CDs. Now I get it, music CDs aren't as popular as the game’s OST for an obvious reason but COME ON. "Blue Sea of 53 Minutes" is all the way at two hundred twenty fucking four (224)! "Magical Astronomy", one of the best songs ZUN has ever written is at 249. Not that the normal songs were done right either, Momoyo's theme deserves better and the fighting game songs are being slept on hard. Point is, y'all are missing out." "I knew Flandre was going to take first place sooner or later. Youmu can't keep that streak of staying in first place for the third time and Reimu can't win again because she won enough times before. Give the other gals a chance to be number one." Seeing my votes and where they got placed: Letty's at 101st. Letty almost got into the 2 digits... Almost... (I'm one of the 86 who had Letty as their top vote) Shizuha's at 89th, separated from her sister sadly. Okina's at 43rd, nice nice... Kaguya's at 40th, pretty good. (Mokou's at 8th though, haha harhar...) Aya's at 12th, my favorite number, ayayaya! Koishi's at 6th, she fell out of the top 5... And Marisa's at 2nd. Unfortunate, she was only a few hundred votes away. Flandre's pretty cool though. Internet Survivor is a real banger! "I'd like to mention Mokou being 8th. In every single category. She is also the EX boss of the 8th game in the series. And within IN she is the 8th new character to be introduced. And last year she was also 8th. It's perfect." (Reply: I blame Khorne - Count's note: Khorne is the good of blooshed in the Warhammer universe (also his "sacred" number is 8); he is one of the main 4 gods of an alternative realm called Chaos, which tends to connect itself with the real space through the Warp; I will explain more later for anyone interested) "No Scarlet Sandwich this year and Reimu is losing popularity." "No cap that's very surprising. Was expecting Reimu & Marisa to be 1 & 2 as usual. But not only did flan take 1st place, Marisa overtook Reimu as well. I wonder how much the new wave of western fans have affected the results..." "Mokou is basically the winner, since all the characters above her are the faces of Touhou and the faces of a series can never be defeated when it comes to popularity. Mokou is the first character on the list who is not an absolute fan favourite, meaning that only people who really, really like her voted for her. And the difference in points between 7 and 8 is almost as big as the difference between 8 and 9. Meaning she has the most fans. Mokou Army represent." [Spotted the Fortune Teller stan]: "Why is the fucking fortune teller 104th?" User 1: "I don't like this top 5. Seems the most people only know Touhou 6 and 7 occasionally. There are so cool characters and a lot of them would earn this places much more than the Standard, mainstream ones." User 2: "True. Honestly it really sucks that SOMEHOW the Touhou 6 and 7 characters are the most popular, when I personally feel like there are better characters out there... oh well. What can I really do?" User 3: "I mean, the protagonists and the EoSD/PCB characters have way more canon manga/print work/game appearances than any other character (except rare cases like Mamizou). Look at the cast of EoSD, everyone in there is either a protagonist (Sakuya and Cirno) or is playable (Remilia, Sakuya, Cirno, Meiling, Patchouli and Flandre). Cirno got her own game and Flandre is the only character other than Reimu who ever solved an incident in the .5 games. There's plenty of reasons to like them." "Man, Okina is #43 Well, at least most of the songs I voted are on the top (Idolatrize World being #6 is neat but I thought it was going to be a little higher) and Flan won, which is cool!" Some fun things about the music ranks that I noticed: The music section doesn't change throughout the top 20, with the only exception being the sudden jump of Reisen's theme, about 8 ranks is quite high, especially since she doesn't have any new remixes and the top 20 is very competitive (maybe because of gacha games?). Junko's theme keeps sinking lower and lower (sad Junko's fanboy noise). The highest jump is Scarlet Tower ~ Eastern Dream (EoSD staff roll), which is 29th from 68th, 39 ranks increased, whereas the lowest sink is The Princess Who Slays Dragon Kings (Momoyo 's theme), which drops from 49 to 80, about 31 ranks lower. (Technically, there are some songs that jump higher or drop lower, but they are at the bottom half, and most of the time the number of votes is only about 2 digits, so not very meaningful). However, the theme that falls the hardest is Inchlings of the Shining Needle ~ Little Princess (Shinmy's theme), which completely disappeared from the top 20 (19 before), and now sits quietly at 32. Shanghai Teahouse ~ Chinese Tea and The Gensokyo The Gods Loved, those two songs always follow closely together lol, they have stuck with each other from 2016 till now. Both themes associated with Hina received a sudden rise in popularity, and her rank increased by 3, guess she has some new dedicated fans? Now about the character: The top 20 are all fan-favorited, so there is nothing new to report. But some statistics: Highest Lowest EoSD Flandre Daiyousei PCB Youmu Lyrica IN Mokou Wriggle PoFV Aya Medicine MoF Sanae Minoriko SA Koishi Kisume UFO Kogasa Ichirin (or Unzan) TD Miko Kyouko DDC Seija Yatsuhashi LoLK Junko (Hecatia right after) Ringo HSiFS Okina Nemuno WBaWC Cake (Keiki) Urumi UM Chimata Sannyo Print works Kasen Mizuchi Spin-off Tenko (Tenshi) Hatate Stage Character Rank 1 Rumia 17 2 Cirno 15 3 Alice 11 4 Satori 9 5 Youmu 4 6 Remilia 8 Extra Flandre 1 The highest playable character is, of course, Flandre, but not counting her (and other fan-favorites for obvious reasons), then Futo at 37 (Nitori at 35 if you count SA), and the lowest is Ichirin at 114 (which is like really weird if you asked me, even a random fortune teller is more famous than her). HSiFS casts are the lowest amongst all the characters, with the highest being Okina and the second highest being Aunn at 95, all the others are past 100. What caused the rise of Rumia so much? And Momiji I will never not be sad about Ran and Iku's lack of recognition. I will be happy about Ran's 34, though. Ofc the overrated shitheads win again Mima up to 75th place from 82nd, I will take this W Anyway, congratulations to the winners of this year
    5 points
  8. I think the question should be narrowed down to something more specific, since it comes off as too broad (like, for example, bad in what way?). That, or phrase it in more as a "What's your experience with the Touhou Fandom?" question. Approaching this as it's currently written, I'd say "No". That'd be the objective way to describe it, since if it was that bad, it'd probably not exist the way it does today. However, I find the objective answer boring and likely unsatisfactory to the curious folk who lurk around (so pretty much someone like me lol). I can only offer my personal perspective, which I think leads to an actual discussion and better understanding of one another's experience. Also, I was mulling over responding in the other thread, but it looks like I took too long and it ended up locked. I'll preface by saying that these kind of discussions are often met with a lot of pushback, since questions phrased this way tend to be used for confirmation bias, or is at least viewed that way. I'm not going to view it that way for the sake of interaction, and I often feel like genuine curiosity is labeled as "stirring things up" or a type of conversation we're not allowed to have by the very nature of fans being asked if their fandom has issues. I'm also going to try and approach this question from different angles if I can. I. What gets considered Good and Bad in the Fanbase A problem I have with the fandom is how some things are unanimously liked or disliked. Public opinion of Touhou 17 seems to be at an all-time low for some reason, and I have seen some rank it below Touhou 2. Is the game perfect? Of course not. I have issues with some bullet visibility, and others say the difficulty is too low for their liking. Though, it seems this opinion kind of became prevalent after a certain video talking about Touhou's "decline" made the rounds. That's how I view it at least, so if I'm objectively wrong about it, then I'm wrong. Having differing opinions isn't really the issue, but more of the line of logic that led you to the conclusion. When it's because someone else didn't like it, therefore you don't either, I take issue with that. II. Gatekeeping Gatekeeping is another point of contention for me, but that word is thrown around from the different sides of the fandom, to the point where it's just used as a generic insult. I'm particularly miffed when I see people with extensive knowledge on Canon be labeled as Gatekeepers for trying to correct a misconception or try to be helpful in an exchange. When it comes to Gatekeeping how someone gets into Touhou, that's also another thing I can't stand, because we all got into the series in our own way, so their is no "correct" way to get into it, be it Fumos, Memes, the Official Games, Fangames, Piracy, Music, or just seeing a character that appeals to you. III. What's allowed to be talked about This is the biggest reason for me being a lurker in the first place. I often feel like I can't speak my mind in the fandom, since I'm pretty critical of a lot of things I consume in general, and it seems only things we're approved to dislike and dissect can be talked about. Anything remotely negative, or even suggestive of negativity is immediately shot down. Sometimes you can get a real discussion going, but it's rare from what I've seen. I know this is the internet and I shouldn't be expecting an in-depth peaceful discussion everywhere I go, but there's barely any interesting analytical content to consume in the Western Fanbase outside of a handful of videos that feel like narrated glances at the Touhou Wiki. I really only started not lurking as much after I saw someone attempt to ask actually interesting questions around the fanbase a while back. IV. Closing Thoughts I'm a bit more comfortable posting my thoughts here than say Reddit, or the various Touhou Discord Servers out there. It doesn't feel like I have to worry about someone breathing down my neck at all times... Anyways, I'll add that this is, again, from my own perspective. A lot of my issues aren't with any perceived personality the average Touhou fan has, it's just the stifling of discussion as a whole for shallow reasons.
    5 points
  9. Buskerdog, the oldie of the Moriya Shrine Forum, the programmer, the game jam participator. He is an awesome lad that I worked together in a past game jam. (1) The lad has a keen ear on music and the knowledge for quality. You best bet that his games are going to blow your mind! The lad doesn't post much but when he does it will be quite interesting. [Contents] 1. Basic Info 2. The Arrival 3. Profile Info 3.1 Status Updates And Ranks 3.2 Signatures 4. Channel And Itch.io Accounts 5. Author's Note Original Pixiv Link Not Found (Found By Reverse Image Searching) Basic Info You can find him in intriguing forums posts and is also seen following them. He is also a very big fan of eurobeat. (2) It is clear that he is a big Reimu fan judging from his profile picture and this quote from Would you rather? game. He also likes Programming and found Touhou by remixes just like most of the fans. (3) Quote: The Arrival Joined the forums at March 23, 2019 and participated in the forum game known as "We Tell A Story Two Words At A Time" (4). Profile Info One of the record holders for posting a lot of posts. Standing at 586, having won 88 days. 09/30/2002 is his birthday accordingly. Status Updates And Ranks A total of 11 badges and a dozen followers. To top it off, 527 faith points. Rank is Experienced (11/14) Signature It's hard to see a signature of his but there're instances where he would find artists and musicians to for a game jam. Channel And Itch.io Accounts Has a Youtube channel to showcase his mods Ex (Rival Of Aether.) buskerdog - YouTube. Also has Itch.io to give you a his creations of fan games. buskerdog - itch.io I assure you that it's quite nice. So, give him a visit. Author's Note Honestly, the Author enjoyed his time as an artist in a game jam with this lad and for educating me about things like CountVonNumenor. (5) It's good to see members like him in this forum as he happens to be the first to post on author's thread. References (1) Dream of Ar-card-ia ~ Dreaming of the Perfect Deck - A Game Jam submission - Derivative Works - Moriya Shrine | Your resource for all things Touhou (2) RT8: [NOT] the Last Remix Tournament - Page 3 - Human Village - Moriya Shrine | Your resource for all things Touhou On page (3) Quote "It is no secret that I am a fan of the eurobeat." (3) Umm... Hi? - Introductions! - Moriya Shrine | Your resource for all things Touhou Pretty self explanatory (4) buskerdog's Content (moriyashrine.org) 16, 17, 18, 19 are almost filled with that. (5) CountVonNumeor -Moriya Shrine Wiki Parody - Misty Lake - Moriya Shrine | Your resource for all things Touhou This page was last edited on 4 July 2022 11:17, Current UTC
    5 points
  10. Honestly, all three tops are quite disappointing. Overrated characters got the character top (Mokou gang forever though) - all of them are either too popular because of simply being popular. The music top is rigged and the most disappointing, many good themes are somewhere in the depths. I feel like first three should't be taken into consideration. Game top is not really surprising or disappointing, people tend to play EoSD and IN only since first one is the most popular and first windows game, and IN because it is called "the easiest" game.
    4 points
  11. That's a potentially confusing header, but I'm rather fond of the grammatically unique style of Touhou titles, and once this one emerged I decided to keep it. The recent popularity poll rekindled an idea I had about ranking within Touhou. Given the extensive nature of the series, some of the categories suffer from impossibly high quantity of options, specifically regarding characters (as has been discussed) and music. As my investment in the series is focused more on the music, my considerations on this matter were formulated in that direction, but I suspect the idea could be applied in other directions. To encourage the recognition of underappreciated tracks, I propose the challenge of an alternative ranking system: rather than a list of one's favorite pieces from across the whole series, a compilation of favorites from each individual entry. Instead of a top ten[ish], such a list would be comprised of at least one, at most three, tracks per game or disc release. I call this a "challenge," because the endeavor would require a near complete familiarity with all the music in the series, which most fans do not have. There might also be a question concerning smaller entries like Forbidden Scrollery or Bohemian Archive (a similar question might arise with character rankings), but I believe the exercise would be nonetheless interesting to attempt.
    3 points
  12. Meiling up woohoo. Now I'm being reminded of burning meiling, I wanna see her and Byakuren square off so bad
    3 points
  13. Hey, that's my comment lol But yeah I think Flandre deserved this win. Though I really wish PC-98 is given some more love...
    3 points
  14. Honestly I tend to disregard looking at the top picks in favor of seeing how the lower ones stack up against each other, as it's much more interesting to me. I'll admit, as someone who makes derivative work (music) and occasionally helps others with fan projects/jam games, I care a bit more about what other people care about to an extent. It's useful data to gauge what fans on average are interested in. However, personally, I find the results disappointing. It's not a "I wish my favorite character won" but more of a "Oh boy, I can't wait for more derivative works to focus only on the casts from the first few Windows games again". I'm a fan, I consume fanworks. Sometimes I want a little more variety in the things I consume. EoSD often feels like it casts this huge shadow over the rest of the series in that regard. It sort of reminds me of how Generation I is to the Pokemon franchise, but in the fanwork sphere. With that all said, I definitely understand everything that led to Flandre getting 1st, being 17.5, the 20th Anniversary of EoSD, and apparently some fanmade things I'm not entirely in-the-know about.
    3 points
  15. If I were to put my thoughts on it, I'd say that I'm actually kinda mad at these results.. Something from EoSD is literally the first place, Flan is the #1 character, UN Owen is the #1 song and EoSD itself is #1 in works. I'm not so mad at the works tab, hell, even I voted for EoSD since it is my favorite game in the series, but holy shit is it overrated. Like yeah, I get it, it's the game that brought Touhou to the west yadda yadda, but holy fuck give some recognition to the other characters and songs my god Like yeah, I like UN Owen as much as the next guy but it can be so fuckin' eargrating sometimes, I'm guess I'm just tired of the Scarlet Sisters, and the EoSD cast as a whole (except for Meiling, I love Meiling :3)
    3 points
  16. Until someone will create a proper thread, here are the results of this year's popularity poll: https://maribelhearn.com/thvote Characters: Rank 2021 rank 2020 rank Name Points No. 1 Votes Comments Supportive fanworks submitted 1 5 5 Flandre Scarlet 16,723 3,730 3,633 19 2 2 4 Marisa Kirisame 16,578 3,267 3,160 25 3 3 2 Reimu Hakurei 15,679 2,913 2,952 33 4 1 1 Youmu Konpaku 15,323 3,791 2,883 29 5 6 7 Sakuya Izayoi 13,787 2,493 2,591 9 6 4 3 Koishi Komeiji 13,150 2,473 2,453 48 7 7 6 Remilia Scarlet 12,981 2,215 2,429 8 8 8 9 Fujiwara no Mokou 8,728 1,462 1,542 13 9 9 8 Satori Komeiji 7,600 974 1,310 6 10 10 13 Yuyuko Saigyouji 6,960 986 1,257 7 11 12 11 Alice Margatroid 6,909 1,036 1,155 18 12 11 10 Aya Shameimaru 6,607 965 1,065 9 13 14 14 Reisen Udongein Inaba 6,575 843 1,133 10 14 13 12 Sanae Kochiya 6,185 950 1,046 10 15 18 24 Cirno 5,850 900 1,284 14 16 16 15 Yukari Yakumo 5,342 643 918 7 17 21 23 Rumia 5,293 772 1,142 8 18 15 16 Tenshi Hinanawi 5,200 785 852 7 19 19 18 Patchouli Knowledge 5,194 688 815 2 20 22 21 Suwako Moriya 5,013 752 872 5 21 17 17 Hata no Kokoro 4,966 679 912 3 22 25 25 Hong Meiling 4,550 640 830 5 23 23 19 Eiki Shiki, Yamaxanadu 4,417 577 744 4 24 27 22 Momiji Inubashiri 4,129 616 787 5 25 20 20 Kogasa Tatara 4,095 568 738 9 26 24 28 Yuuka Kazami 4,058 496 617 3 27 26 29 Toyosatomimi no Miko 3,650 574 696 3 28 28 26 Junko 3,522 415 594 6 29 34 42 Hecatia Lapislazuli 3,425 328 646 2 30 30 30 Shion Yorigami 3,412 383 583 7 31 31 31 Suika Ibuki 3,326 430 546 5 32 29 32 Seija Kijin 3,285 575 628 6 33 33 40 Sagume Kishin 3,268 369 585 3 34 37 37 Ran Yakumo 3,212 353 579 5 35 36 33 Nitori Kawashiro 3,107 416 514 3 36 39 38 Utsuho Reiuji 3,077 438 532 6 37 32 39 Mononobe no Futo 3,071 409 573 6 38 41 34 Parsee Mizuhashi 3,058 426 576 6 39 40 35 Kasen Ibaraki 2,863 290 471 11 40 35 41 Kaguya Houraisan 2,692 294 422 5 41 38 27 Renko Usami 2,611 319 378 8 42 45 50 Hina Kagiyama 2,552 344 500 5 43 42 43 Okina Matara 2,493 255 470 6 44 43 45 Nue Houjuu 2,215 228 348 6 45 49 47 Rin Kaenbyou 2,051 205 307 12 46 48 58 Eirin Yagokoro 2,011 139 404 2 47 47 44 Byakuren Hijiri 1,994 188 320 0 48 52 48 Clownpiece 1,989 170 340 2 49 63 53 Nazrin 1,949 254 345 5 50 50 51 Doremy Sweet 1,902 181 340 5 51 46 36 Keiki Haniyasushin 1,890 178 338 6 52 44 - Chimata Tenkyuu 1,887 149 403 8 53 - - Yuuma Toutetsu 1,854 143 342 7 54 67 71 Koakuma 1,831 127 353 7 55 53 57 Keine Kamishirasawa 1,812 182 304 2 56 61 61 Chen 1,780 198 365 9 57 55 - Tsukasa Kudamaki 1,778 104 324 4 58 59 59 Seiga Kaku 1,767 185 308 3 59 51 70 Minamitsu Murasa 1,714 217 306 3 60 54 49 Maribel Hearn 1,668 93 272 10 61 57 - Megumu Iizunamaru 1,610 117 315 4 62 76 63 Iku Nagae 1,593 156 304 4 63 68 56 Kutaka Niwatari 1,588 158 323 4 64 58 46 Yachie Kicchou 1,518 109 275 1 65 56 62 Sumireko Usami 1,506 151 265 3 66 60 54 Daiyousei 1,464 114 285 10 67 64 74 Tewi Inaba 1,452 125 236 2 68 80 55 Joon Yorigami 1,438 149 241 4 69 71 64 Mystia Lorelei 1,401 180 245 10 70 66 52 Kagerou Imaizumi 1,399 128 238 4 71 64 69 Sekibanki 1,385 148 258 4 72 69 77 Yuugi Hoshiguma 1,366 120 284 3 73 74 66 Soga no Tojiko 1,286 136 239 5 74 79 75 Rinnosuke Morichika 1,278 110 263 5 75 82 81 Mima 1,266 126 305 6 76 69 60 Kosuzu Motoori 1,262 106 229 3 77 72 65 Komachi Onozuka 1,259 99 227 4 78 81 79 Mamizou Futatsuiwa 1,238 130 206 3 79 78 78 Kanako Yasaka 1,222 123 221 4 80 74 73 Hatate Himekaidou 1,201 94 210 4 81 85 94 Wriggle Nightbug 1,164 214 246 7 82 73 67 Shinmyoumaru Sukuna 1,099 121 186 4 83 62 - Momoyo Himemushi 1,040 76 228 0 84 84 84 Lunasa Prismriver 1,038 121 189 4 85 95 86 Medicine Melancholy 1,029 96 201 0 86 87 89 Yoshika Miyako 1,001 96 207 2 87 83 72 Hieda no Akyuu 960 81 158 4 88 86 80 Raiko Horikawa 951 93 182 1 89 93 96 Shizuha Aki 934 90 186 7 90 98 88 Shinki 921 55 166 3 91 90 98 Watatsuki no Yorihime 898 73 166 1 92 94 97 Minoriko Aki 871 81 169 5 93 88 76 Saki Kurokoma 870 43 163 2 94 77 68 Mayumi Joutouguu 865 77 161 5 95 96 83 Aunn Komano 823 64 190 1 96 91 82 Lily White 816 90 151 4 97 97 89 Wakasagihime 798 75 171 1 98 99 85 Shou Toramaru 776 86 140 3 99 92 93 Miyoi Okunoda 739 41 173 2 100 101 91 Yumemi Okazaki 735 54 123 8 101 103 100 Letty Whiterock 691 86 151 2 102 104 102 Yamame Kurodani 669 75 137 5 103 100 108 Mai Teireida 656 38 129 1 104 109 92 Unnamed Jinyou (Fortune Teller) 628 30 156 3 105 102 87 Kyouko Kasodani 620 53 120 1 106 89 - Mike Goutokuji 619 27 123 0 107 105 109 Satono Nishida 564 32 101 0 108 107 114 Watatsuki no Toyohime 561 34 112 0 109 111 111 Merlin Prismriver 535 63 90 0 110 110 99 Luna Child 519 32 97 2 111 114 101 Star Sapphire 513 38 93 5 112 121 107 Eternity Larva 499 34 114 2 113 113 104 Gengetsu 490 44 98 2 114 112 105 Ichirin Kumoi 485 59 82 3 115 116 117 Alice's Dolls (Shanghai, Hourai, Ooedo, etc.) 474 13 117 0 116 108 95 Seiran 448 32 83 3 117 115 106 Benben Tsukumo 446 32 96 3 118 118 115 Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai (Tokiko) 444 37 104 2 119 117 112 Lyrica Prismriver 437 33 67 1 120 122 112 Ringo 418 37 77 0 121 120 103 Sunny Milk 415 34 68 4 122 119 - Takane Yamashiro 374 21 81 6 123 106 - Misumaru Tamatsukuri 363 16 70 1 124 125 110 Narumi Yatadera 345 19 81 5 125 128 119 Dolls in Pseudo Paradise CD Jacket Girl 329 32 58 2 125 123 121 Rei'sen 329 21 67 1 127 126 118 Kana Anaberal 326 33 69 4 128 127 119 Mugetsu 299 10 70 0 129 133 124 Sariel 293 32 55 6 130 124 123 Yatsuhashi Tsukumo 283 28 64 5 131 137 126 Kisume 280 29 58 0 132 129 128 Yumeko 272 15 47 1 133 130 127 Anxious Moustached Villager 265 6 51 0 134 143 125 Eika Ebisu 259 22 70 2 135 131 130 Kurumi 231 18 38 1 136 132 138 Youki Konpaku 222 7 61 0 137 165 154 Louise 221 24 33 1 138 - - Mizuchi Miyadeguchi 219 7 63 2 139 135 129 Chiyuri Kitashirakawa 207 18 38 5 140 136 121 Urumi Ushizaki 193 13 44 0 141 153 145 Kotohime 182 22 43 0 142 134 131 Nemuno Sakata 180 12 32 0 143 138 - Sannyo Komakusa 174 10 37 1 144 142 136 Konngara 163 12 36 5 145 139 136 Kedama 162 7 35 1 146 139 134 Unzan 156 10 39 0 147 145 132 Mai 155 9 29 0 148 148 116 Otter Spirit 152 6 49 0 148 144 134 Elis 152 8 34 0 150 141 133 Ellen 151 14 27 3 151 146 139 Elly 150 6 32 0 152 149 139 影華扇(断善修悪の怪腕 - 茨木童子の腕) 139 2 32 2 153 146 141 Yuki 137 13 34 0 154 150 144 Giant Catfish 135 11 30 0 155 151 143 Ruukoto 133 13 35 0 156 155 145 Rika 125 10 37 9 157 154 142 Dolls in Pseudo Paradise CD Label Girl 124 2 26 1 158 158 152 Layla Prismriver 123 9 21 1 159 157 151 Meira 109 10 27 3 160 161 157 Rikako Asakura 101 10 27 1 161 162 150 Thermonuclear Deity Hisou Tensoku 96 7 18 0 162 152 149 UFO tokens 94 3 29 0 163 170 162 Nameemon (Kosuzu's stuffed slug) 91 5 29 0 163 156 157 PC-98 unnamed midbosses 91 11 18 0 165 162 154 YuugenMagan 85 7 18 1 166 166 159 SinGyoku 78 11 14 0 166 168 170 Tsuchinoko 78 2 23 0 168 160 164 Genjii 77 4 20 0 169 173 183 Crows (Hell ravens, Yukari and Aya's familiars, etc.) 76 6 15 0 170 198 196 Unnamed Dormouse (Yamane) 69 28 7 0 171 169 167 Mimi-chan 67 5 16 0 172 164 161 Chang'e 66 0 29 1 173 166 156 Orange 62 6 12 0 174 184 174 Urban Legends (Okiku-san, Hasshaku-sama) 61 1 19 0 175 159 148 Fairy (Maid, Sunflower, etc.) 57 3 16 0 176 175 159 Kikuri 53 7 15 1 177 176 145 Wolf Spirit 50 6 13 0 178 176 171 Kasen's animals (Kume, Kanda, Raijuu, Houso, Jinkenmen, etc.) 49 2 11 2 179 171 163 Tupai 47 2 10 0 180 179 168 Kappa (including yamawaro) 42 1 8 0 181 174 165 Sara 41 4 10 0 181 179 169 Rabbits (Moon rabbits, Eientei youkai rabbits, etc.) 41 0 15 1 183 172 153 Eagle Spirit 40 1 12 0 183 179 173 Misc. Human Villagers (BAiJR, PMiSS, SoPM, FS, etc.) 40 2 12 0 185 178 172 Dragons (Dragon child, Unnamed evil dragon, etc.) 36 0 10 0 186 186 180 Keseran-pasaran 34 0 3 0 187 187 178 Unshou 29 3 7 0 187 182 166 Kitsune (Youkai kitsune, Unnamed fox student, etc.) 29 0 3 1 189 182 178 Sake Bug 27 1 9 0 190 189 175 Manzairaku 26 2 5 0 191 185 177 Hobgoblin 25 1 8 0 191 188 180 Tengu (Kourindou Tengu, Great Tengu, etc.) 25 2 3 0 193 189 182 Myouren 21 0 5 0 194 192 183 Summoned Gods (Amaterasu, Izunome, etc.) 20 1 3 0 195 198 191 Bishamonten 18 2 4 0 195 191 188 Konohana-Sakuyahime 18 0 5 0 197 198 188 Shirou Sendai 17 0 5 0 198 197 175 Unnamed Snake Youkai 15 0 2 0 198 202 185 Tanuki (Bake-danuki, Noteppou, etc.) 15 0 4 0 200 193 185 Ghosts (including vengeful spirits, divine spirits, bakebake) 13 1 4 0 201 194 191 Salt Merchant 12 1 2 0 202 194 191 Moon Capital Gate Guards 10 2 1 0 202 206 191 Zashiki-warashi 10 2 1 0 204 194 187 Iwakasa 9 1 2 0 205 198 190 Kosuzu Motoori's parents 8 0 1 0 206 204 198 Mizue no Uranoshimako 7 0 2 0 207 205 195 Enenra 6 0 1 0 208 203 196 Kutsutsura Music Rank 2021 rank 2020 rank Name Points No. 1 Votes Comments 1 1 1 U.N. Owen Was Her? 18,520 4,765 2,410 2 2 2 Septette for a Dead Princess 12,929 2,364 1,235 3 4 3 Hartmann's Youkai Girl 9,215 1,246 998 4 5 7 Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke 8,154 1,110 838 5 6 11 Love-Coloured Master Spark(Love-coloured Magic) 7,883 832 819 6 3 4 Entrust this World to Idols ~ Idolatrize World 7,850 1,305 922 7 7 8 Shanghai Teahouse ~ Chinese Tea 7,030 1,070 607 8 8 9 The Gensokyo The Gods Loved 7,015 754 798 9 12 10 Necrofantasia 6,147 576 583 10 9 6 Bloom Nobly, Ink-Black Cherry Blossom ~ Border of Life 6,023 728 524 11 10 5 Pure Furies ~ Whereabouts of the Heart 5,675 800 620 12 13 16 Lunar Clock ~ Luna Dial 5,602 664 546 13 11 14 Ghostly Band ~ Phantom Ensemble 5,491 556 579 14 14 12 Broken Moon 5,380 563 576 15 16 15 Native Faith 5,096 590 561 16 15 24 Tomboyish Girl in Love 4,617 552 526 17 18 22 Maiden's Capriccio / Dream Battle 4,031 359 406 18 20 17 Satori Maiden ~ 3rd eye 3,544 406 350 19 17 19 Flight in the Bamboo Cutter ~ Lunatic Princess 3,381 278 321 20 28 29 Lunatic Eyes ~ Invisible Full Moon 3,357 270 334 21 22 20 Tonight Stars an Easygoing Egoist (Live ver.) ~ Egoistic Flowers. 3,317 368 338 22 21 25 Gensokyo Millennium ~ History of the Moon 3,303 329 314 23 24 27 Flowering Night 3,247 248 309 24 30 31 Shanghai Alice of Meiji 17 3,236 416 310 25 32 28 The Centennial Festival for Magical Girls 3,087 274 325 26 25 21 Last Remote 3,041 298 261 27 23 18 Emotional Skyscraper ~ Cosmic Mind 2,956 322 275 28 35 38 Apparitions Stalk the Night 2,906 406 301 29 68 55 Crimson Tower ~ Eastern Dream... 2,905 242 402 30 29 26 Desire Drive 2,898 330 308 31 26 23 Faith Is for the Transient People 2,860 298 272 32 19 13 Inchlings of the Shining Needle ~ Little Princess 2,709 291 230 33 27 35 Hiroari Shoots a Strange Bird ~ Till When? 2,699 328 255 34 34 39 Doll Judgment 2,485 212 222 35 38 48 The Maid and the Pocket Watch of Blood 2,464 253 219 36 33 33 Eastern Judgement in the Sixtieth Year ~ Fate of Sixty Years 2,419 247 229 37 39 34 Fall of Fall ~ Autumnal Waterfall 2,403 280 269 38 55 60 Border of Life 2,327 139 275 39 31 - Where Is That Bustling Marketplace Now ~ Immemorial Marketeers 2,187 206 234 40 37 32 Solar Sect of Mystic Wisdom ~ Nuclear Fusion 2,144 209 222 41 41 50 Locked Girl ~ The Girl's Secret Room 2,002 184 173 42 36 30 Wind God Girl 1,997 203 170 43 50 47 Akutagawa Ryuunosuke's "Kappa" ~ Candid Friend 1,971 163 206 44 41 37 Secret God Matara ~ Hidden Star in All Seasons. 1,871 160 249 45 45 56 Eastern Mystical Dream ~ Ancient Temple 1,801 193 157 46 40 36 Magus Night 1,788 152 191 47 48 44 Tomorrow Will Be Special, Yesterday Was Not 1,698 136 179 48 44 43 Shoutoku Legend ~ True Administrator 1,691 183 170 49 66 57 Dark Side of Fate 1,658 119 156 50 47 42 The Pierrot of the Star-Spangled Banner 1,651 95 200 51 46 51 Heian Alien 1,606 152 162 52 53 64 Pandemonic Planet 1,594 157 173 53 61 105 A Dream that Is More Scarlet than Red 1,579 212 167 54 51 92 Bad Apple!! 1,508 178 190 55 52 45 The Youkai Mountain ~ Mysterious Mountain 1,500 158 148 56 64 41 At the End of Spring 1,490 144 158 57 56 49 The Fantastic Tales from Tono 1,470 164 144 58 43 53 Catastrophe in Bhavaagra ~ Wonderful Heaven 1,464 129 136 59 73 81 The Road of the Misfortune God ~ Dark Road 1,439 133 152 60 54 46 Lullaby of Deserted Hell 1,389 129 138 61 59 68 Reverse Ideology 1,356 170 164 62 70 82 A Soul as Red as a Ground Cherry 1,342 141 118 63 71 69 Deaf to All but the Song 1,337 111 126 64 65 63 The Venerable Ancient Battlefield ~ Suwa Foughten Field 1,333 108 145 65 60 62 Dichromatic Lotus Butterfly ~ Ancients / Red and White 1,328 117 157 66 57 40 Greenwich in the Sky 1,322 114 122 67 69 70 Because Princess Inada Is Scolding Me 1,297 86 130 68 67 58 The Primal Scene of Japan the Girl Saw 1,228 101 109 69 62 52 Primordial Beat ~ Pristine Beat 1,132 103 125 70 80 65 Green-Eyed Jealousy 1,125 120 103 71 74 61 Old Yuanxian 1,109 98 116 71 58 67 Crazy Backup Dancers 1,109 54 124 73 63 66 The Sea Where the Home Planet is Reflected 1,106 74 118 74 72 59 The Concealed Four Seasons 1,081 101 124 75 75 122 Sakura, Sakura ~ Japanize Dream... 1,062 62 138 76 76 83 Cinderella Cage ~ Kagome-Kagome 1,047 84 92 77 83 77 Sleepless Night of the Eastern Country 1,046 95 90 78 100 99 Nostalgic Blood of the East ~ Old World 1,044 101 93 79 - - Memento of All Organisms ~ Memory of Fossil Energy. 1,039 91 126 80 49 - The Princess Who Slays Dragon Kings 1,032 48 116 81 82 75 Voyage 1969 1,016 93 98 82 77 90 The Lost Emotion 1,006 122 88 83 81 89 Plain Asia 998 74 87 84 78 74 Eternal Spring Dream 997 88 116 85 88 101 Lunate Elf 992 88 82 86 94 80 Hiroshige No.36 ~ Neo Super-Express 974 95 128 87 102 76 Night Falls 963 53 90 88 86 72 The Capital City of Flowers in the Sky 958 117 79 89 87 73 Alice in Wonderland 954 103 101 90 97 104 Voile, the Magic Library 947 78 72 91 83 87 A Maiden's Illusionary Funeral ~ Necro-Fantasy 942 79 90 92 96 85 Demystify Feast 935 88 117 93 95 102 Extend Ash ~ Person of Hourai 900 71 91 94 79 71 Kid's Festival ~ Innocent Treasures 886 92 106 95 116 129 The Young Descendant of Tepes 878 53 81 96 90 95 Beware the Umbrella Left There Forever 864 85 106 97 101 106 The Doll Maker of Bucuresti 855 78 71 98 93 79 Vanishing Dream ~ Lost Dream 816 82 91 99 106 100 Legend of Hourai 795 130 102 100 99 93 Interdimensional Voyage of a Ghostly Passenger Ship 794 74 88 101 92 88 Last Occultism ~ Esotericist of the Present World 793 52 88 102 111 103 Reincarnation 742 71 97 103 103 96 Faraway 380,000-Kilometer Voyage 729 51 84 104 110 121 Walking the Streets of a Former Hell 728 39 78 105 125 164 Mystic Dream ~ Snow or Cherry Petal 727 68 57 106 91 53 Unlocated Hell 726 58 95 107 126 139 Retribution for the Eternal Night ~ Imperishable Night 724 78 82 108 117 131 Gensokyo, Past and Present ~ Flower Land 722 64 85 109 85 - Starry Mountain of Tenma 720 53 105 110 105 78 Mysterious Purification Rod 711 65 100 111 115 108 Eastern Youkai Beauty 705 37 85 112 107 94 Girls' Sealing Club 703 85 71 113 154 156 Flawless Clothing of the Celestials 688 38 98 114 109 111 Paradise ~ Deep Mountain 672 62 64 115 108 84 Night Sakura of Dead Spirits 668 68 72 115 98 86 Illusionary Joururi 668 55 68 117 104 - The Long-Awaited Oumagatoki 666 43 89 118 119 107 Higan Retour ~ Riverside View 653 61 59 119 127 108 Illusionary White Traveler 644 49 86 120 124 112 Ultimate Truth 625 52 62 121 113 128 Omiwa Legend 622 76 79 122 118 116 Retrospective Kyoto 618 27 54 123 122 110 the Grimoire of Alice 611 38 64 124 134 134 The Witches' Ball 602 33 59 125 128 138 The Reversed Wheel of Fortune 596 62 77 126 120 98 Eastern Heaven of Scarlet Perception 592 44 70 127 130 119 Corpse Voyage ~ Be of good cheer! 582 35 63 128 112 96 Bell of Avici ~ Infinite Nightmare 574 46 44 129 139 157 Unknown X ~ Unfound Adventure / Occultly Madness 570 23 54 130 140 146 Oriental Dark Flight 567 46 75 130 132 126 Vessel of Stars ~ Casket of Star 567 31 64 132 171 152 Spring Lane ~ Colorful Path 556 32 61 133 137 120 UFO Romance in the Night Sky 543 39 53 134 89 91 Joutoujin of Ceramics 542 31 62 135 122 123 Oni's Island in the Fairyland ~ Missing Power 539 29 63 136 148 114 Memory of Forgathering Dream 533 48 42 136 - - Memento of the Avaricious Beast 533 45 70 138 143 124 Futatsuiwa from Sado 532 42 48 139 145 162 Captain Murasa 529 43 65 140 144 140 The Frozen Eternal Capital 527 43 58 141 209 191 The Ground's Color is Yellow 526 24 61 142 129 113 The Childlike Duo's Naturalis Historia 525 43 55 143 142 143 Strawberry Crisis!! 522 46 55 144 135 137 Voyage 1970 520 31 42 144 133 117 Prince Shoutoku's Pegasus ~ Dark Pegasus 520 42 70 146 146 125 A Flower-Studded Sake Dish on Mt. Ooe 514 49 63 147 135 115 The Rabbit Has Landed 511 26 70 148 138 133 Eternal Shrine Maiden 492 51 68 149 158 142 Now, Until the Moment You Die 477 40 58 150 121 - The Great Fantastic Underground Railway Network 464 30 61 151 114 - Kitten of Great Fortune 461 22 47 152 152 152 Crystallized Silver 459 29 48 152 162 173 Youkai Domination ~ Who done it? 459 31 46 154 215 163 Seraphic Chicken 458 27 61 154 131 136 Lovely Mound of Cherry Blossoms ~ Flower of Japan / Japanese Flower 458 56 45 156 141 129 Bhavaagra As Seen Through a Child's Mind 447 33 48 157 156 184 Stirring an Autumn Moon ~ Mooned Insect 444 57 42 158 153 151 Faint Dream ~ Inanimate Dream 432 43 51 159 151 141 Heartfelt Fancy 409 39 33 160 170 171 Diao ye zong (Withered Leaf) 405 38 39 161 176 189 Yorimashi Between Dreams and Reality ~ Necro-Fantasia 402 35 46 162 191 187 Crimson in the Black Sea ~ Legendary Fish 400 43 45 163 149 131 Eastern Memory of Forgathering Dream 390 30 39 164 167 154 The Tiger-Patterned Vaisravana 377 27 59 165 150 127 Beast Metropolis 376 18 58 166 183 149 A Tiny, Tiny, Clever Commander 375 35 42 166 159 160 Dream Palace of the Great Mausoleum 375 46 53 168 147 150 Eternal Short-Lived Reign 369 23 41 169 159 144 A Star of Hope Rises in the Blue Sky 362 19 57 170 167 144 Fires of Hokkai 357 24 31 171 178 172 Song of the Night Sparrow ~ Night Bird 354 28 30 172 187 215 An Eternity that Is More Transient than Scarlet 350 21 25 172 173 177 A Never-Before-Seen World of Nightmares 350 23 41 174 161 135 Bamboo Forest of the Full Moon 348 28 30 175 157 148 Satellite Café Terrace 345 27 31 176 166 155 September Pumpkin 338 22 32 176 182 166 Romantic Children 338 34 46 178 164 146 Heaven of Scarlet Perception 332 24 28 178 172 174 Battlefield of the Flower Threshold 332 38 38 180 177 167 Rural Makai City Esoteria 324 27 46 181 181 186 Magical Girl's Crusade 323 26 34 182 169 117 Electric Heritage 319 13 43 183 179 169 Bibliophile with a Deciphering Eye 314 35 49 184 165 185 Dullahan Under the Willows 312 25 32 185 197 229 Eternal Night Vignette ~ Eastern Night. 310 16 30 186 175 158 The Wheelchair's Future in Space 307 23 26 187 192 188 A God That Misses People ~ Romantic Fall 301 26 32 188 193 179 Rigid Paradise 294 25 33 189 188 170 The Bridge People No Longer Cross 293 31 33 190 194 175 Alice Maestra 291 28 26 191 205 206 Complete Darkness 290 23 53 192 190 176 Legendary Illusion ~ Infinite Being 287 14 27 192 155 - The Perpetual Snow of Komakusa Blossoms 287 8 31 194 180 161 A Midnight Fairy Dance 278 13 28 195 201 192 Cemetery of Onbashira ~ Grave of Being 276 14 30 196 186 197 Enigmatic Doll 264 21 37 197 194 181 The Shining Needle Castle Sinking in the Air 263 31 33 198 215 214 Poison Body ~ Forsaken Doll 262 25 28 198 174 - The Obsolescent Industrial Remains 262 11 40 200 207 182 Our Hisoutensoku 258 6 21 200 184 180 Nightmare Diary 258 16 43 202 185 199 Let's Live in a Lovely Cemetery 257 18 32 203 203 190 Youkai Domination 256 22 32 203 221 194 Eastern Strange Tale of Avarice 256 29 39 205 196 165 Great Fairy Wars ~ Fairy Wars 254 14 26 205 - - The Hundredth Black Market 254 18 56 207 205 201 Illusionary Night ~ Ghostly Eyes 251 19 24 208 229 201 G Free 248 13 35 209 197 193 Eastern Mystical Love Consultation 241 11 26 210 188 158 The Eternal Steam Engine 239 15 31 211 199 196 The Flowers Remain in Fantasy 236 22 19 212 218 229 Sleeping Terror 235 21 27 213 218 195 The Dark Blowhole 234 14 32 214 226 213 White Flag of Usa Shrine 231 13 20 215 221 205 Hellfire Mantle 229 16 20 215 - - Black Markets Can Happen Anywhere, Anytime 229 13 47 217 220 218 Schrödinger's Bakeneko 223 22 26 218 223 178 Tortoise Dragon ~ Fortune and Misfortune 221 19 28 219 241 236 Witch of Love Potion 217 29 27 220 204 - Lunar Rainbow 215 12 35 221 207 203 Cute Devil ~ Innocence 214 22 23 221 223 211 Sunny Milk's Scarlet Mist Incident 214 13 39 223 228 216 Merry the Magician 207 14 24 224 212 242 Blue Sea of 53 Minutes 206 15 19 225 163 - Ore from the Age of the Gods 205 6 27 226 210 204 Mermaid from the Uncharted Land 203 14 23 227 244 233 Old Adam Bar 193 9 15 227 227 232 Mystical Maple ~ Eternal Dream 193 22 19 227 212 182 Unknown Flower, Mesmerizing Journey 193 12 24 230 244 251 Sealed Gods 192 14 22 231 212 218 The Mysterious Shrine Maiden Flying Through Space 191 14 18 232 236 231 The Strange Everyday Life of the Flying Shrine Maiden 190 17 29 233 217 207 Izanagi Object 186 19 20 234 239 208 Welcome to the Moon Tour 185 14 19 235 225 222 The Purest Sky and Sea 184 16 14 236 201 - Banditry Technology 176 8 17 237 - - The Collector's Melancholy Afternoon 175 10 37 238 237 221 Lonesome Werewolf 174 14 14 239 232 237 The Sealed-Away Youkai ~ Lost Place 173 13 26 240 211 199 Shinkirou Orchestra 171 7 8 241 238 224 Youkai Back Shrine Road 170 11 23 242 233 197 Mist Lake 167 3 27 243 248 226 The Traditional Old Man and the Stylish Girl 162 12 14 243 249 210 Did You See That Shadow? 162 10 16 245 258 253 Flower Viewing Mound ~ Higan Retour 159 11 21 246 231 208 Gathering the Mysterious from All Around Japan 154 16 25 247 253 258 A Midsummer Fairy's Dream 150 4 24 248 233 168 Jelly Stone 148 8 22 249 240 212 Celestial Wizardry ~ Magical Astronomy 146 7 14 250 246 245 Cheat Against the Impossible Danmaku 144 7 22 250 263 228 Curious old Shanghai tile 144 15 17 252 230 220 Wind of Agartha 143 10 24 252 241 249 Hangover of Bedfellows Dreaming Differently 143 17 25 254 251 226 Tabula rasa ~ The Empty Girl 142 12 23 255 253 237 A Pair of Divine Beasts 141 14 17 255 280 248 Dying in the Dendera Fields in the Night 141 11 20 257 285 270 Lunatic Dreamer 138 6 31 257 256 292 Watatsuki's Spell Card ~ Lunatic Blue 138 17 12 259 266 241 Staking Your Life on a Prank 133 4 7 260 259 234 Unforgettable, the Nostalgic Greenery 131 7 18 261 264 272 Desire Dream 130 11 19 261 252 223 Theme of Eastern Story 130 16 20 261 243 224 Strange Bird of the Moon, Illusion of the Mysterious Cat 130 15 7 264 253 245 Plastic Mind 127 6 14 264 274 239 Satellite TORIFUNE 127 12 14 266 199 - Smoking Dragon 125 4 20 267 260 263 Youkai Modern Colony 122 8 13 268 272 277 Mechanical Circus ~ Reverie 120 9 12 269 261 255 Starry Sky of Small Desires 119 7 12 270 269 280 Treacherous Maiden ~ Judas Kiss 118 11 12 270 269 261 Doll of Misery 118 2 23 270 277 256 Led On by a Cow to Visit Zenkou Temple 118 9 20 273 247 252 The Mystery in Your Town 116 9 9 274 249 235 The Far Side of the Moon 115 6 8 275 268 239 Year-Round Absorbed Curiosity 114 4 14 275 276 247 Loose Rain 114 10 15 277 257 256 Swim in a Cherry Blossom-Colored Sea 112 4 18 277 275 267 Swordsman of a Distant Star / Angel of a Distant Star 112 10 11 279 235 263 Does the Forbidden Door Lead to This World, or the World Beyond? 111 4 15 279 264 249 No More Going Through Doors 111 6 15 281 273 216 The Lamentations Known Only by Jizo 108 7 15 282 279 260 The Refrain of the Lovely Great War 107 9 13 283 283 258 A Drunkard's Lemuria 104 5 10 283 278 273 Illusory Science ~ Doll's Phantom 104 5 14 285 271 243 Romantic Escape Flight 103 6 14 286 289 266 Border Between Dreams and Reality 97 9 17 286 308 321 Hourai Illusion ~ far East 97 15 10 288 - - Submerged Hell of Sunken Sorrow 96 2 11 289 286 273 Bamboo Forest in Flames 95 2 14 289 334 309 Trojan Asteroid Jungle 95 7 10 291 - - Youkai Hook On 94 8 15 292 324 282 Awakening of the Earth Spirits 93 5 16 292 - - Take Thy Danmaku In Hand, O Bulletphiles 93 8 19 294 - - Depths of the Earth, Ocean of Avarice 91 6 7 295 292 313 The Lake Reflects the Cleansed Moonlight 90 5 13 295 289 254 Silent Beast Spirits 90 3 19 295 286 269 Green Sanatorium 90 6 10 295 262 - A Shower of Strange Occurrences 90 6 15 295 - - The Wolves of Nanatsuishi Dash to Seize the Clouds 90 8 16 300 319 270 Sky Ruin 89 4 6 300 283 244 The Shining Law of the Strong Eating the Weak 89 3 9 300 299 312 Dim. Dream 89 3 14 300 315 309 Lotus Love 89 10 16 304 338 305 Illusionary Sputnik Night 88 5 15 304 267 276 Dr. Latency's Sleepless Eyes 88 1 8 306 296 284 Fantasy Corridor 84 5 8 307 288 287 Girl's Divinity ~ Pandora's Box 83 5 12 308 329 267 Youkai Space Travel 82 7 14 309 319 294 Strange, Strange Instruments 81 6 20 310 293 288 Tengu is Watching ~ Black Eyes 80 3 7 310 289 306 Shrine of the Wind 80 7 25 312 298 277 Fragrant Plants 79 2 7 312 309 275 Futatsuiwa from Gensokyo 79 3 9 312 304 340 Can't Sleep Because It's Nighttime 79 6 17 315 293 277 The Space Shrine Maiden Appears 78 5 8 315 334 330 Eastern Strange Discourse 78 0 16 315 334 285 Star Voyage 2,008 78 6 9 315 295 297 Boys and Girls of a Science Era 78 3 8 315 281 - A Rainbow Spanning Gensokyo 78 5 11 320 281 302 Dancing Water Spray 76 6 5 320 301 265 The Magic Straw-Hat Ksitigarbha 76 5 9 320 299 299 A Dream Transcending Space-time 76 4 10 323 325 285 the Last Judgement 73 6 9 323 - - An Exciting and Familiar Gensokyo 73 1 23 325 341 332 Darkening Dusk 72 4 6 325 306 282 Ghost Lead 72 1 10 325 313 289 Magic Mirror 72 4 12 325 380 349 Scarlet Symphony ~ Scarlet Phoneme 72 6 10 325 302 289 Maple Wise 72 3 11 330 310 281 Skygazer 71 4 14 330 325 323 The Barrier of Ame-no-torifune Shrine 71 5 13 332 319 346 The Sealed Cloud Route 70 0 9 332 322 304 Returning Home From the Sky ~ Sky Dream 70 2 13 334 342 323 Evening Primrose 69 3 5 334 316 289 Player's Score 69 1 8 334 338 314 Illusion of a Maid ~ Icemilk Magic 69 1 7 337 304 295 Thunderclouds of Magical Power 68 1 16 337 358 351 Forest of Dolls 68 6 10 339 306 292 Peaceful Romancer 67 5 13 339 355 314 Dream of Arcadia 67 3 7 341 345 317 Wind Circulation ~ Wind Tour 66 3 8 341 342 323 Into Backdoor 66 4 10 341 362 306 AN ORDEAL FROM GOD 66 4 8 344 311 302 Tengu's Notebook ~ Mysterious Note 65 3 7 344 334 351 A Sacred Lot 65 4 9 344 302 261 Japanese Saga 65 4 9 347 349 314 The Gods Give Us Blessed Rain ~ Sylphid Dream 64 1 8 347 311 295 Argue for and Against 64 1 9 347 316 323 Youkai Girl at the Gate 64 9 8 347 322 309 The Inevitably Forbidden Game 64 1 10 351 362 335 Civilization of Magic / We Shall Die Together 63 2 8 351 349 299 The Tank Girl's Dream 63 2 5 351 332 317 Legend of Aokigahara 63 4 5 354 316 323 Silk Road Alice 61 3 8 355 373 344 Sleep Sheep Parade 59 4 10 355 362 360 Visionary Game ~ Dream War 59 4 6 355 330 366 Fly above Hatoyama at night 59 9 10 358 358 323 Spirit of Avarice 58 1 7 359 383 385 The Earth Spirits' Homecoming 57 2 7 359 387 306 The Sky Where Cherry Blossoms Flutter Down 57 1 8 361 325 317 Outside World Folklore 56 2 3 361 378 340 Sailor of Time 56 7 6 361 313 344 Ame-no-torifune Shrine 56 4 8 364 332 346 Welcome to Youkai Temple 55 1 10 364 387 363 Witching Dream 55 2 9 366 357 335 Raise the Signal Fire of Cheating 54 1 4 366 362 373 The Taboo Membrane Wall 54 4 6 368 380 335 A Shadow in the Blue Sky 52 3 12 368 354 335 Child of Are 52 4 8 368 366 372 Like the Brilliance of Fairies 52 3 7 368 358 351 Outsider Cocktail 52 4 5 372 352 332 Humans and Youkai Traversing the Canal 51 3 6 372 - - 51 2 9 374 401 417 Dream of a Spring Breeze 50 3 3 374 355 297 The Stone Baby and the Submerged Bovine 50 1 4 374 396 354 Hakurei ~ Eastern Wind 50 3 11 374 325 356 憑依華(OP曲) 50 2 7 378 366 335 Maple Dream... 49 4 11 378 369 330 Sunny Rutile Flection 49 2 6 380 374 349 Occult à la Carte 48 2 1 380 369 340 End of Daylight 48 5 6 380 330 332 A Land Resplendent With Nature's Beauty 48 6 7 383 415 340 Everlasting Red Spider Lily 47 3 7 383 387 348 Dream Land 47 3 11 385 345 299 Flower of Past Days ~ Fairy of Flower 46 3 7 386 387 374 Shrine at the Foot of the Mountain 45 2 3 386 352 356 White Traveler 45 0 5 388 369 323 The Darkness Brought In by Swallowstone Naturalis Historia 44 1 5 389 369 378 An Ice Fairy in Spring 42 1 4 389 396 366 Deep-Mountain Encounter 42 4 5 389 380 402 Crimson Maiden ~ Crimson Dead!! 42 5 5 389 420 494 Firmament Army 42 8 9 393 374 378 Drunk as I Like 41 0 4 393 366 390 The Exaggerated Castle Keep 41 2 1 393 417 368 False Strawberry 41 2 7 396 401 378 Himorogi, Burn in Violet 40 2 6 396 429 374 Gensokyo ~ Lotus Land Story 40 5 5 396 385 356 Magic Shop of Raspberry 40 2 6 399 338 317 Magical Storm 39 1 6 399 349 - The Cliff Hidden in Deep Green 39 2 6 401 401 360 Herselves 38 3 3 401 - - Laws of Heaven, Desires of Man 38 0 6 403 296 494 Gensokyo Mystery Discovery 37 2 2 403 409 406 The Space Shrine Maiden Returns Home 37 1 4 403 401 378 The Gensokyo That Floats in Outer Space 37 1 7 403 358 - A Rainbow-Colored World 37 1 6 407 387 406 Skies Beyond the Clouds 36 1 1 407 394 402 Angel's Legend 36 3 6 407 387 393 Decoration Battle 36 3 9 410 399 378 The Colorless Wind on Youkai Mountain 35 1 4 410 429 434 Mushroom Waltz 35 2 4 410 385 412 Nightmare Journal 35 2 3 410 374 385 Spirit Battle ~ Perdition crisis 35 1 2 410 396 368 Velvet Maiden Battle ~ Velvet Battle 35 3 4 415 345 364 The Mound Where the Flowers Reflect 34 1 3 415 374 370 Flower of Soul ~ Another Dream... 34 4 2 415 387 360 Energy Daybreak ~ Future Dream... 34 1 5 415 342 364 Eternal Full Moon 34 3 4 419 428 390 The Positive and Negative 33 5 4 419 437 438 Decisive Magic Battle! ~ Fight it out! 33 2 4 419 383 393 Dimension of Reverie 33 3 3 422 409 370 Midnight Spell Card 32 0 4 422 437 421 She's in a temper!! 32 4 6 422 394 385 Dreamy pilot 32 1 2 422 378 356 Dream Express 32 3 9 422 420 374 Forbidden Magic 32 0 5 422 399 354 Ancient Temple of the Netherworld 32 4 4 422 417 390 Eternal Festival of Illusions 32 1 5 422 447 396 The Instant is Shorter Than Planck Time 32 1 8 430 440 399 Nemesis' Stronghold 31 2 2 430 420 396 Hakurei Shrine Grounds 31 3 6 432 447 406 Swift Battle 30 1 5 432 413 406 The Moon as Seen from the Shrine 30 1 5 432 401 412 A Rose Blooming in the Underworld 30 0 3 432 401 378 Magician of the Twilight 30 1 5 436 429 385 Bell of the Antipodes 29 1 3 436 417 412 Power of Darkness 29 1 1 436 413 412 Orphic Poetry ~ Pseudoclassic 29 4 7 439 345 377 This Dull World's Unchanging Pessimism 28 0 2 440 415 417 The Fairies' Adventurous Tale 27 2 4 441 429 399 Heart-Stirring Urban Legends 26 1 2 441 420 417 Maniacal Princess 26 0 3 441 409 378 Adventurer's Tavern of the Old World 26 2 4 441 442 427 Illusionary Girl from Canaveral 26 1 5 445 451 454 Ridiculous Game 25 2 2 445 477 427 Winds of Time 25 3 5 445 437 448 Wondrous Tales of Romance ~ Mystic Square 25 2 1 448 469 393 X, the Floating Objects in the Sky 24 0 2 448 429 406 Legendary Wonderland 24 3 3 448 493 448 Selene's light 24 1 0 451 447 420 A Huge Shadow and a Tiny Conclusion 23 1 3 451 407 438 Eastern Recorded Sealing of a Demon ~ Pure Land Mandala 23 0 5 451 451 402 Sacred Battle 23 4 10 454 451 424 Mound of Life 22 1 3 454 420 421 Overcome a Thousand Trials 22 1 1 454 442 434 World of Empty Dreams 22 1 5 454 429 389 Crescent Dream 22 3 5 458 420 458 Immortal Red Soul 21 0 1 458 407 321 Lost River 21 1 0 458 440 402 Disunified Field Theory of Magic 21 1 3 461 451 406 The Scenery of Living Dolls 20 0 3 462 429 442 Newshound 19 0 1 462 420 434 End of the World ~ World's End 19 0 0 462 477 465 New Illusion ~ New Fantasy 19 1 4 465 451 448 Magical Power of the Mallet 18 0 3 465 409 396 Two Worlds 18 1 3 465 524 442 Holy Knight of Orléans 18 0 2 465 493 458 My Maid Sweet Maid 18 2 2 469 447 438 Eastern Wind 17 3 1 469 429 442 Shining Heavenly Armillary 17 0 1 469 469 438 Spiritual Heaven 17 0 3 469 472 448 Shuusou Gyoku ~ Clockworks 17 0 2 473 483 458 The Inverted Castle Lit by the Setting Sun 16 0 2 473 508 412 Extra Love 16 0 1 473 442 442 Starbow Dream 16 0 4 473 451 399 Castle Explorer -in the Sky- 16 1 2 477 483 536 End of Summer 15 0 0 478 442 484 The Moon 14 2 1 478 493 448 Wanderings 14 1 0 478 459 506 Scarlet Night 14 1 1 478 498 506 The Legendary Titan 14 1 0 478 545 475 A Popular Location 14 0 1 478 442 465 Highly Responsive to Prayers 14 1 3 478 483 442 Magical and Hopeless 14 1 1 478 462 424 Inventive City 14 0 3 486 511 522 Free and Easy 13 1 1 486 462 427 Lucid Dreamer 13 0 2 486 483 475 Oriental Magician 13 1 1 486 462 427 Blade of Banishment 13 1 1 486 459 427 the Legend of KAGE 13 2 1 486 462 427 Iris 13 1 3 486 477 484 Warrior Maiden ~ Heart of Valkyrie 13 1 1 486 451 448 Magic of Life 13 0 2 494 472 465 Usual Days 12 0 2 494 451 465 An Ice Fairy in Spring - still - 12 0 0 494 498 427 Officially-Sanctioned Twilight Newspaper 12 0 0 494 498 442 Fair Scramble 12 0 1 494 545 506 The Curtain Shall Rise Soon 12 0 1 494 420 475 Phantasmagoria 12 0 2 494 462 434 The Hide-and-Seek Lifestyle at the Shrine 12 1 2 494 545 454 Primrose Shiver 12 1 3 502 477 465 Bad Omen 11 1 0 502 511 522 Youkai Temple 11 1 0 502 477 424 Morning Clouds 11 0 4 502 472 465 The Ravine Kappa's Technological Prowess 11 0 3 502 498 475 Game Over 11 1 2 507 511 540 Demonic Place 10 0 1 507 511 522 A New Wind at the Shrine 10 0 0 507 472 421 The Arcane Is Revealed 10 0 1 507 483 514 Dream of Eternity 10 0 2 507 558 514 Shinto Shrine 10 1 1 507 511 465 Frontal Attack 10 1 3 513 483 484 The Village in the Dead of Night 9 0 0 513 533 540 Performer Selection 9 0 0 513 498 522 Unnatural Nature 9 1 1 513 483 454 Returning Home from the Underground 9 0 3 513 498 484 Selection 9 1 2 513 533 498 Adoration of Magic 9 0 3 513 524 465 Eternal Paradise 9 0 1 513 462 458 Disastrous Gemini 9 0 2 513 477 475 Illusion of Flowers, Air of Scarlet Dream 9 1 2 513 459 465 Dream Machine ~ Innocent Power 9 2 0 523 498 484 Swing a Fish to Drive Away Flies 8 0 0 523 511 498 An Everyday Life with Balls 8 1 1 523 558 522 Believe in Possibilities 8 0 0 523 493 498 Equality Under the Law of Dharma 8 0 1 523 462 454 Eastern Recorded Sealing of a Demon ~ A Phantom's Boisterous Dance 8 0 0 523 533 540 Eastern Blue Sky 8 0 3 523 524 514 Mystic Dream 8 0 2 523 533 458 Antique Terror 8 1 1 531 511 498 Silence 7 0 0 531 469 484 Unexpected Visitor 7 0 0 531 545 484 Each Ending 7 2 0 531 483 458 Seven-Orb Collection Showdown 7 0 1 531 524 536 Being Things Eye To Eye 7 2 0 531 508 475 The Animals' Rest 7 0 0 531 524 506 Arcadian Dream 7 1 1 531 511 484 Border Land 7 0 1 531 511 484 Magic Formation ~ Magic Square 7 1 1 540 483 514 Solitary Place 6 1 2 540 511 506 Beautiful Nature Sight 6 0 1 540 533 522 An Unpopular Location 6 0 0 540 511 475 Constant and Unchanging Mazureum 6 0 0 540 524 514 Forest of Tono 6 0 3 540 533 522 Sealed Demon's Finale 6 0 2 546 533 506 Inner Heart 5 0 0 546 508 498 Intermezzo 5 0 0 546 558 498 The Value Is Unrealized 5 1 0 546 472 465 The Palanquin Ship Flies in the Sky 5 0 1 546 558 545 Big Talk 5 0 0 546 566 506 Victory Demonstration 5 0 1 546 498 522 Incomplete Plot 5 0 2 546 566 536 Endless 5 1 0 546 498 475 Plastic Space 5 0 0 555 545 498 Forms of Manifested Folklore 4 0 0 555 533 514 Arrival of the Winds of the Era 4 0 0 555 533 522 In the Deep-Green Tanuki Forest 4 0 0 555 493 475 Corridor Stretching to Eternity 4 0 0 555 533 540 Scheming Outside the Box 4 0 1 555 511 458 Bet on Death 4 0 0 555 545 506 Ghostly Person's Holiday 4 1 1 555 498 484 Break the Sabbath 4 0 0 555 558 536 Days 4 0 1 555 545 522 Peaceful 4 0 2 555 545 522 Lotus Road 4 0 0 555 524 494 Kioh Gyoku ~ Fairy Dance 4 0 0 567 524 545 Today's Front-Page Headline 3 0 0 567 545 522 An Unused Location 3 0 0 567 545 514 Those Who Know the Truth 3 0 1 567 558 545 An Odd Couple 3 0 0 567 511 514 Those Who Live in Illusions 3 1 1 567 545 498 Illusory Imperial Capital 3 0 0 567 545 - The Sunday After the Storm 3 0 0 574 524 545 Two Minds of One Body 2 0 0 574 558 545 In High Spirits 2 0 0 576 545 545 The One Jointly Responsible 1 0 0 576 483 522 Floating with the Tide 1 0 0 576 533 540 Sunfall 1 0 0 576 558 522 Titled Maid 1 0 0 Works: Rank 2021 rank 2020 rank Name Points No. 1 Votes Comments 1 1 1 EoSD 20,928 7,176 1,893 2 2 2 IN 14,238 3,169 1,187 3 3 3 PCB 12,690 2,603 1,004 4 4 4 MoF 11,766 2,571 1,010 5 5 5 SA 9,158 1,692 754 6 6 6 LoLK 7,177 1,379 732 7 7 - UM 4,476 662 471 8 8 7 WBaWC 3,679 562 361 9 12 11 Wild and Horned Hermit 3,602 513 335 10 9 9 UFO 3,574 619 351 11 10 12 TD 3,472 722 329 12 14 16 PoFV 3,301 469 323 13 13 10 Forbidden Scrollery 3,029 378 278 14 11 8 DDC 2,985 558 262 15 15 15 AoCF 2,950 394 348 16 18 23 LLS 2,657 621 189 17 17 14 HSiFS 2,355 356 241 18 16 13 Hisoutensoku 2,354 350 136 19 19 17 SWR 1,881 277 136 20 21 21 Touhou Bougetsushou 1,719 155 197 21 - - 100BM 1,715 197 258 22 45 52 Gouyoku Ibun 1,576 149 192 23 21 19 Dolls in Pseudo Paradise 1,534 229 163 24 20 31 Lotus Eaters 1,410 126 161 25 34 36 Cheating Detective Satori 1,343 141 141 26 27 37 HRtP 1,339 248 187 27 23 20 Touhou Sangetsusei 1,269 150 117 28 25 22 ULiL 1,216 123 113 29 26 18 Magical Astronomy 1,185 115 107 30 24 24 ISC 1,147 141 128 31 28 27 MS 1,143 172 110 32 36 32 IaMP 994 121 89 33 33 26 Perfect Memento in Strict Sense / Symposium of Post-mysticism 982 67 106 34 35 35 PoDD 961 159 85 35 32 29 HM 958 141 99 36 29 28 StB 955 101 90 37 30 30 GFW 942 107 86 38 39 44 SoEW 852 133 71 39 38 34 Retrospective 53 minutes 831 98 86 40 31 25 Curiosities of Lotus Asia 812 103 69 41 37 33 DS 680 61 54 42 40 38 Ghostly Field Club 616 77 51 43 43 39 Changeability of Strange Dream 503 28 34 44 41 40 The Grimoire of Usami 482 33 41 45 47 45 The Grimoire of Marisa 458 59 43 46 42 41 VD 452 43 46 47 44 43 Neo-traditionalism of Japan 388 45 39 48 46 42 Dr. Latency's Freak Report 384 22 31 49 48 46 Trojan Green Asteroid 313 31 28 50 49 47 Dateless Bar "Old Adam" 298 15 23 51 51 48 Alternative Facts in Eastern Utopia 294 16 21 52 53 51 Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red 264 24 29 53 54 50 Akyuu's Untouched Score 251 14 38 54 52 49 Unknown Flower, Mesmerizing Journey 214 16 22 55 50 53 Who's Who of Humans & Youkai - Everlasting Edition 152 15 10 56 - - Who's Who of Humans & Youkai - Dusk Edition 116 5 7 57 - - Rainbow-colored Septentrion 107 7 27 Some of the results were to be expected, while others were quite a surprise. For my conclusion, just the way my favorite 10 2hus performed this year:
    3 points
  17. Oh, this might be one of the miscellaneous drawings ZUN did. In the time gap between Mystic Square and EoSD, ZUN draw a lot of images. That one in itself represents an interesting era in the evolution of his art, given it is the transition era towards early Windows games art. I really want to talk in a separate thread about those drawing because they are very cool as concept and he drew them for quite some time.
    3 points
  18. No. A fanbase is a group entity, and not capable of unique will. It cannot be "bad" or "good," only "successful" or "unsuccessful." The success of a fanbase is typically measured jointly by its productivity and public perception. In productivity, the Touhou fandom has been exceptionally successful, turning out an unusually impressive volume of content. As for public perception, I have never cared much for judging a fandom by this standard. In every fandom, the most disreputable parts are the most well known, and the larger the fanbase, the larger its worst parts are. As such, public perception is often misleading as to the nature of the greater whole. Nonetheless, I suspect this is what you are really after.
    3 points
  19. Time to come up with yet another update. Get ready for the news roundup (with a copious amount of spicy towards the end) News and updates JP version of Scarlet Devil Tower is receiving yet another alt... I mean retro character. And not just anyone, but Sunny Milk Maid. For some reason, she is branded as an A6 character (even after exhausting the EoSD cast, you can still find way to milk it). I do not even understand how she is a retro - have we ever seen Sunny in maid outfit in canon? Also, wouldn't she be either an A10/11 (as for the debut of the Three Fairies) or even an A12.8 character? Nonetheless, she is the latest JP banner, at the same time as Momoyo. Community discussion and memes With the current event uphold, there have been numerous memes spawning out of the meta/self-aware tone of the story. Here are some of the ones that caught my attention: "It's Morby time!" New character in LW? Meanwhile, someone has figured out the only reasonable way of how to win for good at this game... ...while others are looking for the recipe of success though new units... ...and others just found a new way to keep themselves even with that tiniest bit of happiness they still have. Out of context meme format Before dropping the final, spicy bit, I have one question for everyone around: And now, the part you may have been waiting for. Since the latter part of past summer, Touhou LostWord has decided to pull a classic gacha move and make a beach episode, complete with summer skins, actually I mean completely new characters just to sell summer skins at the prove of an overpowered, unsparkable unit. Looking at you, EFES Yukari and Hecatia... Around the same time, I was taking a look at the bigger general gacha communities. It just happened that they were talking about summer skins, just in a different way and about other games. Given they are gacha communities after all, the way the approach gacha game tropes sure is different from us, people who tend to be more used to the world and community of Touhou. Anyway, I will let the results talk by themselves: Alright, so here is what the people answered (I will only select a few answers I found more substantial, or at least interesting. Some of those will also be accompanied by image support of the comment linked images, which if needed will be marked as spoiler). Before anything, I ended up believing the summer skins LostWord gave us are purely child's play compared to whatever those people are talking about (I am not very familiar with the world of gacha, and at best I can recognize some of the game titles but not associate them with anything) This, i just played DC (Destiny Child) this week and shocked how most skins are very lewd. Got summer and towel skin Anemone for free only need grinding. If any want to play now is best time to try they give a lot freebies for new player. Make sure you downloaded the taptap version cuz its uncensored there dont download the Google Play one. [Azur Lane fans getting angry their game is not lewd enough]: Not anymore. April 2021 was the last event that had the regular top tier skins. Since then, no full frontal unobstructed bikini skins at all. - most adult characters are drawn facing away from the viewer. - most adult characters have 0 summer themed skins - I mean look at Taiho. Yunsang is wasted, look at his 2020 skins vs now. Night and day. - only the Loli characters have lewd skins. Actually, I believe New Jersey’s design was dumbed down because of the regs. If she were released a year earlier, she would 100% have an open chest and regular thigh highs, not a BS black body suit. It makes me angry because they ruined such a good thing. I’m not even looking forward to Musashi and Yamato anymore, because I know both designs will be dumbed down to appease the woke mob over in China. I mean look at ALs marketing. The teased swimsuit skins for every event this summer in the advertising. But what do we get? - Tutus. - Sports skins. - Half assed swimsuits that have obvious obstructions (and only two total). The Chinese Minister of Culture has ripped out the very soul of this game. On the AL subreddit you will get downvoted into oblivion by the woke mob who view the ships as cute, and they don’t want them to be to undressed or some bullshit. The games whole point was the lewdness. Just to put it simply: From 2018-2021 I spent $17,000 on the game. From 2021 to now I have only spent ~$1k. Azur Lane hasn't had good summer skins lately but the old ones are fine. Listed some I like below: (* = generally well liked by "coomunity") Big Tits: - *Zara - Poolside Coincidence (Big tits) - Honolulu - Summer Accident (Big tits) - Sirius - Scorching Hot Seirios (Big tits) - *Vittorio Veneto - The Flower of La Spezia (Big tits) - Atago - Summer March (Big tits, well liked) Medium tits: - Prince of Wales - Sun shing upon Windsor (Medium tits, nipple) - Surcoff - Loisirs Balneaires (Medium is Premium) Ass: - Drake - The Golden Hand's Respite (Big Ass) - *Pola - Seaside Coincidence (Big Ass and A Starfi) Other: *Richelieu - Fleuron of Waves (Classy, same artist as Surtr) Unrelated to the summer skins, but a general idea of what people mean through Azur Lane skins (one of the mild outfits) There is literally WAY TOO MUCH content to put it in here, so I guess a link will have to do it instead https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Skins#Swimsuits-0. People in the Reddit discussion also wanted to point out the following two skins: People keep on talking about Azur Lane, so I guess I will add more shit from there: - Kashino’s Hot Springs Relaxation - L2D - Surcouf’s Loisirs Balnèaires - L2D - Pola’s Seaside Coincidence - L2D - Formidable’s Lady at the Beach - Zara’s Poolside Coincidence - L2D - Nicolas’s Summer Cleaning “Volunteer” - Vitterio Veneto’s The Flower of La Spezia - L2D - Richelieu’s Fleuron of the Waves - L2D - Those are all of my favorites of the swimsuit skins, but there is a lot more good ones Actually, I believe Azur Lane might be more relevant than one would think, given Touhou LW is pretty much a clone of this game. Azur lane (Before last year April 2021, The italian swimsuit batch was the best and there were plenty of good summer Live2Ds before that era such as Kashino/Zara/Surcouf/Sirius etc. Nothing as good since then has been released, skins have not been as skin-revealing and fanservicey since then). GFL (some of the Live2Ds were reaaaaallly lewd, like the close to nude one with the starfish) FGO, for creativity. Problem with most gacha’s summer skins is that they just put the character in a swimsuit and call it a day. While the art is usually very lovely, it’s also somewhat boring. They are pretty much “exactly as expected”, with gacha artists just trying to out lewd each other. Every single one of FGO’s summer outfits all have some kinda goofy secondary theme/motif to them, giving them a lot more visually interest outside of “just swimsuit”. Because FGO’s format is to have each character have 3 separate sprites, they usually allow 2 outfits to be a standard swimsuit while 1 is something wacky and unexpected. Some great examples would be Nitocris being fully covered in a Medjed sheet on 1st ascension, Meltryllis having a penguin parka -> ballerina swimsuit, Jeanne being a dolphin trainer, Tomoe playing VR beat saber, BB’s final ascension switching from swimsuit to eldritch tentacles, Kiara changing from swimsuit to police dominatrix outfit to a full mermaid transformation, Saint Martha punching enemies with iron fists, etc. The unpredictability of FGO’s summer costumes makes them all visually entertaining and highly distinct. Some even greatly changing the base design of the characters (Wu Zetian goes from angry child to a proper adult, complete with jiangshi and magic) or have other unusual elements (the Valkyries are a free character, but you can only choose 1 out of 3 of them, and each can swap to a different Valkyrie, resulting in 6 sets of voicelines and sprites). It gives them all an added layer of fun that I feel a lot of other gachas lack in their alts, which typically play too safe. I'm gonna have to dig a grave and do a little necromancy to say King's Raid. Tons of tight bikinis of various sizes and designs. Hell, there's even a loli in bandages, you see quite a lot. KR fanservice and swimsuits were AMAZING and their sizes of booba and skin revealing was wild. Counterside has some good ones coming this week. For Reference: Azurlane by far, the Live2D ones are on another level. With the special touch when you tap their chest or ass they will play with the swimsuits and comment something equally as horny as you are. Dunno where to see Ash Arms has the best summer costume, even after the recent summer event ended 5 days ago. But the art style isn't consistent, looks like they are from different games. I'll just list the characters with their summer costumes, and you'll take your verdict: I personally love the sailor event Twisted Wonderland put on! It's not sexy or anything of the sort but it's cute. Not exactly a skin but it's summer-themed cards. Azur Lane has amazing swimsuit skins like Atago, Vinetto, and Tosa. Sadly, they have toned down the fan service because of potential censorship issues. AL is mainly monetized by their amazing skins, so it should come as no surprise. I like the costume Pansirone got for halloween during the "swimsuit fiasco" in King's Raid. The "swimsuit fiasco" was half a year when all thematic costumes released in the game were swimsuits, because a poll stated that users liked those costumes the most. However the comunity got tired and started to rant and be vocal about it. Guardian Tales (images linked in the original comment below): Fruits Fulcute has some pretty nice art, too bad its a 虚無ゲー. Some of the sex scenes are animated, some are static. Typically anniversary skinned characters are animated. (I wanted to load the chibi GIF animations for those two, but they are on such a shoddy wiki page that 90% of the time when you want to load it, it gives a runtime error) For degeneracy then destiny child no debate, some characters there are almost close to nude already that they use nipple pasty only, its important to downloaded the taptap uncensored version. Would put Last origin on first place cuz they really hired some hentai artist's on that game but sadly its not in global. Closing thoughts Wow, it really took me much longer to write this than I expected. But I guess it was mostly coming from the summer skins part. I am not very sure how to continue this thread. There has been less and less noteworthy stuff going on with the game, so I don't have what to write about in the news round-up. If I am to write opinion texts, they are starting to showing an increasing degree of frustration and wish to be done with the whole thing while I still can (only intensified as we are getting closer and closer to the shutdown of DanKagu). My only other options are either put an end to the whole thing, or start diversify. But I can't just close this down so easily. The thread already reached 10K views and over 200 replies, so a lot of effort went into it for half a year. And do not get me started on the whole slowly gathering negativity towards LostWord. I hate that exactly the laziest, cheapest and most soulless of the Touhou mobile games is the one to have survived. I don't think we will ever hey to see nice Live2D animations for characters in a Touhou game (and now I mean mobile games - I don't have money for computer games, nor refer to them - do they use Live2D for any of the Touhou fan games on PC?). I don't think there will be anything too soon to beat the cute animations and animated dialogue from DanKagu, if there will be anything at all. DanKagu failed financially so hard it could not even afford to make a server outside JP, as it failed to incentivize the players to pay for any in-game content. Therefore, it will get the axe in a month from now. This is one of the scariest things about "games as a service" kind of content (yes, I do believe all of the Touhou mobile games fit in this category). You fully depend on the creator's servers, many times can't play without internet, and if they decided o shut down the game (most of the time only because it is not profitable enough), the player loses everything (and if you spent any real money in the game, then I guess you are fucked because nobody will give you compensation) as you remain with nothing when the game ceases to exist (many times without the chance to recover/salvage it). The games basically become lost media. Scott Ross, the creator of famous machinima series "Freeman's Mind" has a very interesting video about the whole concept of "games as a service", why hates them so much and why he considers the whole concept to be a fraud.
    3 points
  20. Oh god, the only thing I can suddenly think of based on your comment (and the overall situation) is this clip from The Clone Wars I may also have to make a correction: this series is not really just a trilogy, but perhaps a whole saga, as I forgot to mention the spin-off that we all know as the "Why there is so much hate for anime/anime style" discussion.
    3 points
  21. I was watching a video recently, and noticed a very interesting discussion in regards to what advantages a series could benefit from if the creator offers creative liberty to the fans to create content related to that franchise. In this thread, I will share two relevant comments on the issue, an argument and a counter-argument in regards to how good/useful this sort of liberty is. In favor of creative liberty for the fans to create derivative works: "Touhou Project is a case study if what the world would look like, if people weren't unreasonably possessive of their IPs. There's no other particular reason why Touhou in particular took off like this other than ZUN being extremely permissive regarding fan works. Because let's face it, Touhou games aren't phenomenal and the world and its characters aren't particularly interesting compared to everything else. It's fans that made it into what it is, because the original creator allowed it to happen. And it all benefited ZUN in the end - so it really begs the question, why many companies and authors will witchhunt every form of fanwork they encounter and in 99% of cases for profit fan works would be instantly shut down rather than treating them as free advertisement or, at the very least, trying to work out a deal with the people who work on them. I'm yet to see another franchise where the majority of commercial content is fan work that the IP holder has nothing to do it, but allowed its release regardless." "A perfect example of what not stifling your fandom via endless copyright threats can do for you. ZUN has basically ensured immortality for the series. Even if he decides to drop the project, the fans will damn well still have oodles of ideas for a long time yet." "I'm all but certain that companies nowadays are allergic to money. So many bad releases, so many shut down fan projects, and so much bad press with their audience. It's easy to just listen to the fans and get super popular off of the fandom, but then most companies would rather see it as "we're not getting money right now." Then what happens? Everyone gets mad, and no one buys their stuff. The most frustrating part is that the companies that do give their fans leeway show that it brings success by the boatload. But because the likes of Nintendo or Capcom or whoever can get away with it, other companies think that throwing out copyright strikes is the wave. They don't realize that they are successful despite copyright striking everyone, not because of it." And in conter argument, or why big names/franchises may not want to be associated with fanworks: "There are several reasons if you're looking for an explanation as to why not everyone like fanworks (should also mention that ZUN isn't the most permissive as his guidelines can be fairly strict). Ultimately it's a person/company by person/company thing. Generally for companies, it usually comes down to either a desire to control the narrative of their works (I doubt Sega would've wanted their children's game mascot to be associated with furry porn for example) or because they don't need "free advertisement" and thus are able to view fanworks as infringement. An example of the last one would be Nintendo. Sure, you can find someone out there who got into a Nintendo game through fanworks or a meme or YTP but if we're being honest with ourselves, Nintendo doesn't need that promotion. Everyone and their grandparents know about Nintendo. Your meme about the new Mii game might drive some sales their way but for the most part, anyone who could get it (Switch owners), already knows about it and has likely already come to a decision about buying it. Bringing up Nintendo has a lot of baggage here but I'm just speaking loosely and not about a specific circumstance." "I bring them up just because they're very Japan-focused and Japan doesn't have fair use.. As for creators, it's usually because they either don't want their art to be tainted or they don't want to be possibly loosing out on money or on opportunities that a fanwork may take away. Don't have many examples of this on hand but fanfiction is historically writhe with this kind of tension. ZUN's in a fairly special position since he's in Japan and can just make up his own rules about how his IP can be used, he's a part of the doujin scene and just turning a profit in that is an achievement (in other words, his mentality is different from a company), and he doesn't seem extremely concerned with the artistic consistency/canon of Touhou as much as other world builders may be. I do think that it's a bit dismissive to discount the unique aspects of Touhou though." "ZUN isn't unique in his handling of fanworks even within his scene so there's obviously something that makes Touhou stand the test of time. Granted, when it comes to being okay with fanworks, he's in the same league as JK Rowling who became a billionaire or something off of books so there has to be some level of truth in how instrumental fan engagement can be as well." Overall, what do you think about the issue at hand? Personal, I like the idea of giving the fans freedom to create their own works. Like the first argument says, that is basically free advertisement fot your series, which in turn may bring in more curious people to visit the source material. This might be a very naive and optimistic view though, given how for example in the case of Touhou, many people (most according to some) will see the the fan-made content, but will only stop there without actually getting to check out the source material and official works. Which guess would bring a fair point to both sides of the discussion... This discussion can be expanded to other franchises as well, and I could talk about other series too as in my years going from one fandom to another, I have seen the whole spectrum of approaches companies and IP owners decided to take in regards to what the fans are producing (Star Wars, Warhammer 40K, BattleTech/MechWarrior, Valve and their games).
    3 points
  22. Sorry, I've been meaning to comment on this thread for a while, but you know, very busy life at the moment. Anyway, as both a Touhou fan and a fangame creator myself, it probably goes without saying that I feel attacked by the statement "Touhou games aren't phenomenal and the world and its characters aren't particularly interesting compared to everything else" I'm pro-fanworks. If I were to create my own IP and mark my words, this will happen one day I would want people to be able to express creative freedom with it, but at the same time, I have to admit that going to the lengths ZUN does of not only allowing, but possibly encouraging commercialisation is a scary thing to think about; most copyright holders, even indie devs, would not be happy with others profiting off their IP and I can understand why. It's hard for me to put into words why, but Ken makes a good point about the purpose of copyright being to protect the creator's ability to profit off their work. I suppose the fear is that commercial fanworks will cannibalise the sales of your own works, even if it somehow hasn't turned out that way for ZUN. I don't know if I could confidently say "you can sell your fanwork whatever it is, and at any price" like ZUN does, I honestly feel like I'd err more on the side of prohibiting for-profit fanworks. It's a difficult dilemma to unravel, but all that being said it's only commercialised fanworks I feel iffy about, I'm completely OK with not-for-profit fan creations of any kind and I would like to make an effort to encourage them. I like the stance SEGA has on fangames, they don't allow them to be sold but other than that they're super chill about it. People here seem to be ripping into Sonic a bit here but honestly I feel like SEGA deserve more credit for that (in general, not just this discussion here). After all, it's how we got Sonic Mania.
    3 points
  23. I think that what makes a fandom more creative than another is when you have well created (in term of personality) characters, a vast universe and of course, a good and coherent story. As in the example of Undertale, the characters have a unique personality, and then, we know there was something between humans and monster but it was never detailed what was it and so the fan could imagine it. To make short, the stimulation of fandom's creativity relay on the masteries of a franchise, if everything was given (character's background, possible and impossible thing...) the fandom cannot do anything else than some suspicious Deviantart fanart (eww, Sonic fanart on Deviantart ) (well, i'm too lazy to write something intelligent... )
    3 points
  24. As I reflect on the thoughts that the reading of these comments brought forward, I am worried it might diverge too far from the intention of thread. Nonetheless, for the sake of engagement: By my understanding, copyright as a concept was instituted with the intent to encourage creativity. By protecting the ability of the creator to profit off his work, there was a greater motivation for someone to create. However, this protection was not intended to be infinite; after a period of time, copyright would expire, and others would be free to use the IP as they liked. The justification for this goes back to the nature of human creativity, in that it is always derivative; no idea is ever ex nihilo. Since human creativity is always inspired by something experienced or learned, no one can claim exhaustive ownership over their creation. Consequently, as the creator takes inspiration from the creations around him, he should not expect to restrict the inspiration others take from his creation. This is far from a complete analysis, however; it does not consider the larger topic of motivation in creation (i.e., why does a person create), only its attempted stimulation.
    3 points
  25. Another quick news roundup, given that maintenance starts in a matter of hours: News and updates Not too much besides the maintenance summary, to be honest. Epic Prayer continues, we are getting Fantasy Rebirth for Yuyuko and Suwako, new Scarlet Devil Tower content, retro SA Satori banner and 2nd rerun (third time overall) of Phantom-Human Maid for a Day (get ready to experience again all the Meiling abuse). Community discussions and memes Again, no big discussions going on these days. Instead, I will skip to the memes. Old discussion, but it is dubious how much Space/Hifuu Yorihime resembles the Yorihime design from KKHTA Not necessarily about Touhou LostWord, but still in the realms of gacha games. One day, we might even happen to have this discussion about LostWord itself...
    3 points
  26. From the album: Soda's Touhou art

    I was testing Krita, and I really like it!
    3 points
  27. Huh I never heard of this buskerdog guy but he seems pretty cool. I wonder if he has a mediocre twitter where not much happens but he always posts when he's made something new? If he does I would totally follow it to stay up to date on any cool stuff he makes. https://twitter.com/buskerdog_ I didn't even know that was a page on the profile. This frog has too much power. Guys I'm still alive I swear it's just I still haven't been able to play the new Touhou game, that's why I haven't been active much. I'm sorry for not looking at your recent music posts Ken Also wait a minute, ARE THOSE CITACIONS!!??
    3 points
  28. so... after a bit of digging, I realized that Vietnam television does not have... a proper age rating system... or at least, the resemblance of it. so I'd go out on a limb here and assume that our system goes alongside the other Asian countries' age rating. There isn't any age rating badge on any of our shows, film series, so you could literally by accident let young child see adultery images in films. And it goes for most of the channels too, with I think the exception of the VTV (Vietnam Television) and HTV (Ho Chi Minh Television) branches not having any films that are too egregious on it, but still... some passes by. Violence is also courteous on our side, as TV films would show gunfights and stabbings, on scene, but subdue them down by having virtual blood gushing animations, or... just straight up dripping artificial blood on some characters. Which is a... way, I suppose. A nice touch. (any fellow countryman here that can address me, I would appreciate it a lot cause half of the words here are just a shot in the dark.)
    3 points
  29. Here in the Philippines, there is technically no "age rating system" for TV; just general descriptors. We even had a simpler two-rating system before, I still remember the rating just being shown in plain text in mainstream channels instead of a pictogram with the plain text below (some channels still do this actually, like the government-owned IBC 13 and ABS-CBN's cable-only Kapamilya Channel).
    3 points
  30. Fucking Efes Hecatia is gonna get released soon in global as well LMFAOOOO I can't wait for this game to die
    3 points
  31. Hi, I get this error every time I try to download. If you can fix this, please do so at your own pace. <Error> <Code>AccessDenied</Code> <BucketName>moriya-shrine</BucketName> <RequestId>tx00000000000001a8d5220-0062ada00b-18c98378-nyc3a</RequestId> <HostId>18c98378-nyc3a-nyc</HostId> </Error>
    3 points
  32. Oh yeah, the Hourai Shoujos, I like the image of that "adult" looking miko, by the river.
    2 points
  33. I thought that it was officially her… but the full color artwork I was talking about is this one (the one below) it is called « Hermit Girl » and the girl kinda looks like the mascot of Team Shanghai Alice
    2 points
  34. Alrighty, there's a lot of stuff to write, so I'll start with the simplest reply xd I did actually manage to fix the issue! I guess I linked my Twitter account and for some reason, it got fucked up, and it wouldn't work. Maybe it was because back then, my Twitter name was just "kouma" but now I added a "Commissions opened" after it. I just used my email to get the ID and from now on, I'll use that ID to vote. 1. Alice (duh) 2. Meiling (duh) 3. Youmu 4. Marisa 5. Konngara 6. Eiki 7. Kana Anaberal 1. EoSD (duh) 2. 100thBM 3. HRtP 4. MS 5. PCB I'll probably vote for songs too, I just need to see which one I'll pick. Now, for Count's part. First of all, why is Sunny A6??? She's not from EoSD.... Is it because of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAjxo_yB9ek - Sunny Milk's Scarlet Mist Incident, from the CD Strange and Bright Nature Deity Having Momoyo is nice tho. (speaking of the devil, here's sunny milk's intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ik1nFGpmjk) (i hate her voice) Okay, now for the lewd costumes. It's pretty obvious that they're here just for the appeal of the "coomers" of the gacha community. It's a shame because the art of these games is really good, and I'm sure there's more summer/lewd costumes than the SFW ones, in fact, the only gacha that I can think of off the top of my head that has more SFW costumes is in fact our good friend TLW. Even TLW's beach costumes are tame compared to these games (I still want the captain Ran costume....). Also, I didn't know that Guardian Tales got into this trope as well. I think that there's still gonna be some outrageous updates done to TLW, but at this point, I'm sure you're fed up with all this stupid shit that TLW does. It's super sad that the good games can't live long enough, I think both Cannonball and DanKagu lasted for about a year, and TLW is still.. Somehow going strong. And I don't even know what's happening to Arcadia Records. It's a shame really, how these days it seems like people only care for lewdest stuff. And it's even more sad that these games are becoming lost media. I really wish that the gacha industry was better, or, an even better approach, that it didn't even exist.
    2 points
  35. Hi, so I'm Rye on Speed and I'm just some rando on the internet with an unhealthy obsession with playing Fire Emblem and Touhou. So one day I thought to myself, "lmao wouldn't it be funny if there was Touhou and FE combined?" And it turns out there was. Several in fact. Gonna be real here played most of them and by the end I felt like I had gained nothing but a burning hatred for the concept as a whole. (*cough* Gensou no Keifu ~ Hajimari no Miko *cough* *sputter* *cough*) So what better way to channel my unbridled anger and frustration with the lack of (personally subjective opinion) good design in Touhou FE-likes than making an FE8 Romhack about exactly that, Touhou FE! You can find a way more comprehensive info dump including features, screenshots, and my entire life story and the download for the hack here!: https://feuniverse.us/t/fe8-completed-26-chapters-and-a-mini-route-split-touhou-emblem-not-the-reskin/15134 I basically worked solo on all the actual romhacking and gameplay stuff, with my pal Kris.k helping me format portraits and my other friend LonkFromCalifornia helping me do palettes for animations. I have a long history of making Fire Emblem ROMHacks so this was a fairly simple but really fun project for me as I got to experiment around with some new gameplay ideas. So uh yeah if you're like me and enjoy doing a bunch of planning and math this is probably your game. This is also your game if you enjoy breaking the system once you know it, but you didn't hear that from me
    2 points
  36. I wanted to, but for some reason, my votes won't send. I tried contacting the team but alas, the send button won't work there either.
    2 points
  37. News roundup. Finally something to talk about this week... News and updates In the following hours, we are going to get another maintenance. This time, things that will actually make people pay attention. - new event: Capsule Crazy Gensokyo - banne coming with it contains Seija, Raiko and Sumireko (2 gen units everyone was looking for) - another banner: retro MoF Nitori just another attempt at selling a reskin to compensate for the fuckup with the original Nitori Meanwhile, JP is getting more new units - time to fully milk EoSD with Daiyousei alt and Koakuma; what I appreciate is that they went with the battle sprite for them - and speaking of Koakuma, there is also her version from the Hifuu universe Community discussion and memes Surprisingly, there has been nothing relevant going on this week besides having us play Human Phantom Maid for the third time, so I really can't write about any interesting discussion.
    2 points
  38. Holy shit they are extremely overdue (like about a year of you give listen to the guys from the subreddit community), but now I think I can finally die peacefully*. Also does this mean we are getting the Horismriver March event next? We did skip that one, even if it was supposed to come long ago * unless I am gonna wait for Chimata too
    2 points
  39. How is the rating system working in the media of your country? This is how it does here in Romania. To be honest, I find it much easier than the PG system, with all of its subdivisions. I think this image explains it much better than I ever could. And for anyone curious, the NAC (CNA in Romanian - Consiliul Național al Audiovizualului, basically take it as the local equivalent of the American FCC) is the official regulatory agency for the audio-visual market (radio, television) in Romania. "Television broadcasts and cable television, frequency allocations, content monitoring and license allocation are done by the CNA, that is the main regulatory authority for the broadcast media in Romania. The appointments to its board are politicized, and the body thus often acts in a biased and ineffective way.” (source en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Audiovisual_Council) few more notes about Romania: - most of the colors for ratings are no longer used, preferring to go with a small sized semi-transparent/white logo on the bottom of the screen; only anything 18+ still maintains the color red, but it's not always happening, and there are few such programmes even being broadcasted (pornography is close to non-existent on Romanian TV programmes, and horror movies are either mostly on the foreign TV channels, or are rated 15+) - despite the rules, most of the pre-2000 Romanian movies are rated as AP/Parental Approval, no matter the content; that is why movies containing violence, nudity or sex can be broadcasted in the middle of day, as long as they are old movies (to be honest, kind of a strange move), and it explains why some of the bizarre Romanian movies of the 90s can be seen by anyone (bit of context: after 1989, the heavily oppress Romanian cinematography suddenly got full liberty to explore whatever would have been censored by the communist regime; this way, we got some utterly bizarre, some times very violent, full of sex and most of the time just of poor fashion movies, trend that continued until the early 2000s)
    2 points
  40. I'm bad to the bone.
    2 points
  41. Quick news roundup before anything new happens: News and updates JP has two new units that will be features as banner. This time, it will be Chimata and Mike. Knowing from the way Misumaru and Takane were released on Global not very long after JP, then we can expect them on Global soon enough. To me, that is fine, as I was really looking to get Tenkyuu. For some reason, it looks like the two will be separate banners though instead of coming together. If I understood correctly, Mike will most likely be the GEN unit, while Tenkyuu will be the FES Meanwhile, it looks like Global will receive the SA retro version of Satori instead
    2 points
  42. I've made a new fangame for Touhou Station Game Jam 2022! The theme this game is based on in "tsunagu" - "connect". Connected Spirits is high-score chasing beat-em-up game where you control Youmu's human and ghost half simultaneously. By considering the position of both characters, you can chain your combos for longer and collect additional stamina so that you can keep slashing. Vengeful spirits will attempt to attack the Saigyou Ayakashi, defend it for as long as possible and defeat as many as you can! The game gets progressively harder the longer you last, and maintaining a high combo isn't just to be flashy, it becomes very important in the later stages of the game! The music was made by my friend Cassare. I did the programming, design and pixel art, and Needlemouse contributed an image to the title screen. The game was hastily translated into Japanese with the help of some online dictionaries and DeepL The game can be found on my itch.io here: https://buskerdog.itch.io/connected-spirits And it can be found on the game jam website, along with all the other submissions, here: https://touhou-gamejam.web.app/en/work/kEkFZpJsZoBBxdZT/ You can also check screenshots of the game following the above links!
    2 points
  43. On a more positive note, I'm really enjoying the current grand prix event. I love all the interactions between the characters, especially with Parsee and Yuugi! There's something I want to share too! The expressions Parsee has with her costume are so adorable! I can't get over how unbelievable cute she's been throughout this entire event! God I love her so much!
    2 points
  44. Emergency news round-up coming in the next hours. A lot of things happened since the Dev Letter dropped and found some gacha shenanigans I want to share (both about Touhou LW and unrelated) as seen from the eyes of other, non-Touhou gacha communities.
    2 points
  45. In France, its actually the system here is really simple, there just (-10, -12,-16 -18) and yeah its pretty easy over here. I never got to understand the USA age rating system. Before 2002, France has a system with figures and colors, before they switched to the really simple one. Here are the new ones that we still use. Here is the older one:
    2 points
  46. UPDATE: there is also going to be a Relic Fes Koishi release soon. It seems like the Relic units are no longer going by the order in which songs were released, but decided to skip to the latest one. Therefore prepare for this:
    2 points
  47. Introduction to Touhou for Newbies You've never once before played Touhou? Well, we're not here to look down on you for it - this section is here to teach you how it all works, starting with a basic concept introduction, followed by instructions on how to actually get started and play! Subsections on This Page * What is Touhou? * Aren't these in Japanese? * Getting Started * How to Play * Reading the Screen * Pickups & Automatic Collection * Focusing & the Hitbox * Focused Fire vs. Unfocused Fire * Bombing * Moedan What is "Touhou?" Touhou is an extremely popular series of vertical shooting games of the "bullet hell" or "curtain fire" variety, also known as "danmaku," where enemies not only shoot directly at you, but also fire patterned bullets to weave through. Created by Zun, the Touhou game series entails an ongoing story of events set in the fictional realm of Gensokyo, revolving mostly -though not entirely - around incidents regarding the main character, Reimu Hakurei, and the Hakurei Shrine. The series is best-known for its beautiful bullet patterns, seamless story development, and intriguing character interactions; like typical RPGs, character personalities are well-developed, considering the game type, and the dialogue is infused with both drama and humor, making Touhou fun not only in the combat aspect, but also interesting to watch unfold. Aren't these in Japanese? Originally, yes. However, we save you some trouble by pre-applying English patches when they are available, especially when it comes to the official games. (They also come ready-to-play; no need to use potentially confusing methods to use an .iso file to install them.) Getting Started The stories may differ, but how you actually begin playing never does. Every shooting game in the series always asks the same three things before you get started: 1) Difficulty Selection The first thing you're asked to do after hitting "Start Game" is to select your difficulty level (seeing as not everybody is able to walk in the rain without getting wet when they first start). All Touhou games come with four selectable levels of difficulty to choose from: - Easy - Normal - Hard - Lunatic 2) Character Selection There are two or three (or occasionally more) characters interested in resolving the game's incident, and you're asked to choose which one you'd like to play as. Reimu and Marisa are always available choices, and in recent games, Sanae has started making regular appearances, alongside other characters in some cases. Different characters, as you'd expect, have different shot types. 3) Shot Type Selection After you've chosen your character, you're asked to select from two or three shot types that character has to further customize your experience (except in specific games where characters only have one shot type, in which case this step is skipped). Once you choose a shot type, you're whisked away to the gameplay screen, where play begins!! How to Play Now you have to know how to control yourself, yes? Here's how it works: Menu Keys (All Games) [Z]: Confirm [X]: Cancel [Esc]: Pause Shooting Game Controls You'll use the bottom key row in addition to the arrows for movement: [Z]: Fire [X]: Bomb [Shift]: Focus Photography Game Controls If you wanna play "Shoot the Bullet", "Double Spoiler" or "Violet Detector", here's how it's done: [Z]: Shutter(Hold to display viewfinder, release to snap.) [Shift]: Focus (Hold Focus & Shutter to speed-charge camera.) [X]: Flip orientation of frame ("Double Spoiler" only) Fighting Game Controls Playing IaMP, SWR and UNL is more complicated than shooting straight up, of course; it makes active use of six keys on two rows. Only SWR and UNL use the spell card buttons. [Z]: Melee [X]: Weak Projectile [C]: Strong Projectile [A]: Dash Great Fairy Wars Controls Since you can freeze stuff, it controls differently from the other games: [C]: Auto-Fire [Shift]: Focus [Z]: Freeze (must hold briefly to charge first) [X]: Bomb Reading the Screen On the left is the playfield, of course. On the right is the information panel, which keeps you informed of your remaining lives and spell cards (bombs), current power level, and other things like your score. A game's unique counters (such as Cherry Points in "Perfect Cherry Blossom") are usually displayed in the lower-left corner of the playfield (as is the case for the UFOs in "Undefined Fantastic Object," as shown in this screenshot). If you're playing a game from any modern era, the difficulty level you're playing on is also prominently displayed somewhere on the right side of the screen. Pickups & Automatic Collection Along with enemy bullets, as you destroy enemies, the screen also becomes populated with all sorts of pickups; there are unique ones in some games (those are explained in the individual games' sections), but in every one of them you'll run into these two things: Power-Ups. Obviously, it's a good thing to have tons of firepower, and this is how you get it. Collect power-ups to gradually increase your firepower (items bigger in size are, of course, worth more power). In classic titles, you start at 0, and max firepower is 128 points, increasing your firepower every 32 points; in most modern games, you start at 1.0, the max is 4.0, and your firepower increases every whole number. Point items. These add to your score, and are worth more points the higher up on the screen you collect them. In classic titles, they're something like coins from "Super Mario Bros," in that when you collect enough, you're automatically awarded an Extend (extra life), though in modern titles, they simply add to your score (which, depending upon exactly which game, may or may not have much to do with getting extends). There are two other fairly commonplace pickups that appear in more than one game, so I'll explain: Spell Card (Bomb). It doesn't matter whether it's a large star with an "S" or a smaller square with a "B" on it, if it's green and looks important, it does the same thing - it adds one spell card (bomb) to your stock. (These don't appear in games where bombing costs you a power level instead of coming from a separate stock of bombs.) Life Pieces. In some modern-era Touhou games, you can collect 5 of these hollow stars to directly earn an Extend; they're dropped by bosses and minibosses in some games, and also dropped by red UFOs (in "Undefined Fantastic Object," of course). Automatic Collection of Items: It can be hard to keep up with all the items floating down the screen, so when there's a small lull or a good opening, there's another way to collect items. In all Touhou games, there is a point about 4/5 of the way up the screen called the Point of Collection, or POC for short. If you manage to maneuver your character above that line, you automatically collect all items that are currently on-screen. Some modern games are even nice enough to tell you at the beginning of stage 1 exactly where the POC is (as shown here in UFO). Focusing & the Hitbox When you hold the Shift button, your character Focuses. This has three very important benefits: 1) It visibly displays your hitbox (the part of your character's graphical sprite which, when a bullet hits it, actually makes you die; more below). 2) It slows your character down for precision movement. 3) It switches your character from unfocused fire to focused fire (more on that below). Focusing is what makes weaving through seemingly impossible bullet patterns possible. If you can squeeze that tiny dot between two bullets, you live, regardless of if bullets are touching any other parts of your character's sprite. Focused Fire vs. Unfocused Fire Firing while Focused and firing while unfocused are very different, and it's important to know how to use each to your advantage. Unfocused fire allows your character's full movement speed, and generally revolves around area coverage; you get good crowd control this way without much effort. Unfocused fire is generally used for stage enemies, but can also be useful for bosses who move around a lot. Focused fire slows you down for precision movement, and your character will concentrate their fire directly above themselves (well, in most cases, anyway) to cause maximum possible damage to a single target. For obvious reasons, focused fire is the generally preferred way of battling bosses, but can also deal with pesky normal enemies. Bombing It is pretty obvious to any newbie that using a spell card (bomb) causes massive damage to everything onscreen. However, the point many players emphasize on using bombs is that they clear all enemy bullets from the screen - in other words, rather than bombing to cause damage, players prefer to bomb when they get themselves into a situation they cannot get out of any other way, thus being able to continue on instead of dying. Characters generally start with 2 bombs, and can acquire more by grabbing spell card pickups, though they'll also be given their default 2 bombs back when they die if they died with less than 2 bombs in stock. Be warned that some games in the series do not differentiate your bomb stock, and instead cost one Power level to use (which ones are noted in the indivdual games' entry). Moedan Moedan is a training game for newcomers to Touhou. You play as Flandre Scarlet and are given two spellcard options: Wide Shot and Linear Shot. For game information and for download links, please check the following page: Moedan
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