Why are Touhou fans seemingly so thirsty?

[Bonnie MKII]

Most of this whole conversation when it comes to the legality of "cunny" all boils down to a whole can of worms constructed by their personalities. They're either misleading or straight up false with no source whatsoever.

 

[John_Smith]

Why do people like so much seeing porn/erotic material done based on their favorite franchises? Like where is the charm coming from? Is it some sort of desire we have, or we merely treat is as just another object for satisfying our short-terms needs and wants? Could that desire for sex not be satisfied through other means? Like if you want some porn, why does it need to be about your favorite character(s)?

It stems from the pleasure of recognizing things. Have you ever noticed how when you see someone for the first time, it doesn't really feel like anything special, but once you know them you'll get a little jolt of dopamine in your brain every time you see them? Seeing hentai of your favorite character mixes together that 'recognition pleasure' with the sexual pleasure. When you have a porn addiction, the most generic forms of lewd content quickly become boring, so in order to keep your attention everything needs to do something extra, having recognizable characters can contribute to that.

In a way, listening to touhou remixes is like the musical version of this, you could listen to an original song from XYZ genre, but by listening to a touhou cover in it instead, you're combining the pleasure of that musical timbre with the pleasure of recognizing the melody. The music genre dariacore/hyperflip is kind of like the logical conclusion of this, every single song typically samples multiple pop songs that the listener is likely to recognize. (example)


Also, it was interesting reading about how you were sheltered and raised in the Romanian Orthodox Church, but now you kind of distance yourself from that (it's just the kind of vibe i got i don't want to put words in your mouth if it's not true) and want to learn things about other worldviews and learn why people like masturbating to touhou rule34, because in a way I'm kind of like the exact opposite. Like you and ACE_DEUCE talked about, I was one of those kids who discovered porn when I was 11. From then on I was basically addicted to it, and because I was raised protestant I used my authority to interpret the Bible to come up with lots of rationalizations why it isn't a sin, for example interpreting that passage from Matthew that Ken Hisuag posted as only applying to real women and not anime girls. But over the past years I've been slowly getting interested in Orthodoxy, and a few weeks ago I started reading the daily prayers from an Orthodox book called Prologue from Ohrid, and after I did the prayer about asking for the Holy Spirit to help me discern right from wrong, I ended up deleting my entire 50 gigabytes hentai collection. Because even if I don't have anything in theory wrong with the kind of subset of nsfw content you described (consensual, no crazy proportions, etc.), having a crippling porn addiction makes it so I always get blinded by horniness and end up masturbating to super messed up stuff like irl videos of transgender cosplayers doing things to fumos. I don't mean to say that Orthodoxy is necessarily the correct religion, that stuff you said about everyone where you live thinking anime is like an idol sounds kind of crazy, but that maybe you being sheltered wasn't so bad, because the opposite situation of growing up immersed in uninhibited free-for-alls like Discord and 4chan is probably even worse for human development.


As for the cunny debate, it's been rehashed so many times that my eyes glaze over whenever I hear a talking point from either side.

 

[Bonnie MKII]

but that maybe you being sheltered wasn't so bad, because the opposite situation of growing up immersed in uninhibited free-for-alls like Discord and 4chan is probably even worse for human development.

While I agree that being terminally online is bad, but the thing is, that being sheltered most of the time is also awful to the human mind. That and combined with unlimited access is a recipe for disaster. It's how you got children (and man-children) complain about the most trivial things you can imagine.
As for porn, there's nothing wrong with consume porn in moderation, it's one thing if you have a addiction, but stopping it altogether is just another said addiction. And by that, you didn't found control in yourself.
And look, I'm not saying as a troll, if I sound negative then it wasn't the intention.

 

[John_Smith]

While I agree that being terminally online is bad, but the thing is, that being sheltered most of the time is also awful to the human mind. That and combined with unlimited access is a recipe for disaster. It's how you got children (and man-children) complain about the most trivial things you can imagine.
As for porn, there's nothing wrong with consume porn in moderation, it's one thing if you have a addiction, but stopping it altogether is just another said addiction. And by that, you didn't found control in yourself.
And look, I'm not saying as a troll, if I sound negative then it wasn't the intention.

From where did you conclude this idea of moderation in everything being the only real form of "control" over oneself? If it's true, how then does it not apply to moderation itself, implying that you should at some points completely stop or go all-in on something? Would you tell a heroin addict who just got out of rehab that he's actually addicted to not doing heroin now, and he needs to start doing heroin in moderation in order to find control in himself?

 

[cheezie]

Hello there, I came way across this thread and found these takes interesting so I want to provide my opinion on this as an Agnostic Ex-Muslim Kurdish-Iraqi who lives in the Kurdistan autonomous region. (this post would be geared more into talking about the aspect of Loli content and its "morality" in the region I live in, than a general why touohu fans are steamy).

The Romanian Penal Code does not go in as much detail about all the media through which such content is created or spread, but has a different, interesting part - the "despite not depicting a real person".

When it comes to law in my region, it is a mixed bag. The Kurdistan region has some autonomy to have their own penal codes, mostly based off of following or opposing new changes in Iraq's laws made by the MOJ (Ministry of Justice) since there really hasn't been any new laws that culminated from the Kurdistan region itself in the scope of the thread's concern.
It is Penal Code 403 under Iraq law that completely bans pornography of any kind, which is a sentiment that echoes to me how there isn't enough description of what kind of media and under what category of pornography the persecuted fall under (For example, the IOHRIQ has documented cases of people being randomly persecuted under section 403 and similar for sometimes, unrelated crimes under the guise of low-quality content).
And from where I live, I have access to pornography and booru sites without the need of verification, this is the effect of living under an autonomous sovereign state with much more different ideals and political beliefs than Iraq's more Islam heavy and focused beliefs in penal laws.

Christianity has taught us to view everything as a sin, yet Buddhism & Shintoism teaches one to embrace life's pleasures

This made me really think how the Middle East also views Japanese Loli content, mostly in terms of Islam itself. I have been told when I was younger that topics related to sexual education for younger people should be entwined with morality, which has created a learning environment which from personal experience, any sort of depiction of underage peoples in sexual situations is morally wrong. I was told that it was haram but I was never told that repenting for such an offense would be forgiven, aside from being outcasted in social circles for thinking bad of you.
I personally haven't seen any sort of popularity in my region about Loli content, I have seen some trends of younger folks in the higher social classes knowing a little bit about Loli content from my trips and visits to many places in my area. It seems like the youth are learning more and more about Japanese culture, but their response is mixed in between I want to respect their culture if it doesn't interfere with mine, but it is also against my faith how their sexual culture is.
I would love to be corrected if I am in the wrong in this, since my personal experience may have come from the more traditional culture of Kurdish elders rather than anything that came in the latter (Which made me think about Romanian culture as well in that vein).

I think this point stems from the fact that historically, western art was very realistic and very much an "at face value" experience, symbolism taking the backseat most times. So now when the same idea of realism is brought to that, it isn't that much of a surprise why people think what they do.

Quite impressively about this, this sentiment also holds true in an Islamic society (in terms of the face value thought). I was also quite a culture-shook when I discovered smut content, and so did my fellow colleagues when I was 18-19. The idea of symbolism behind Loli content was also a point that I never thought of due to how my background shaped my thoughts until I saw your argument.

I have learnt quite a lot from this thread and made me think in a more open-minded way in terms of discussing such content that I would have never been able to discover through Touhou smut content coincidently.
Much love.

 

[CountVonNumenor]

It stems from the pleasure of recognizing things. Have you ever noticed how when you see someone for the first time, it doesn't really feel like anything special, but once you know them you'll get a little jolt of dopamine in your brain every time you see them? Seeing hentai of your favorite character mixes together that 'recognition pleasure' with the sexual pleasure.

I can see the reason behind this line of thought. It makes a lot of sense, but I think sometimes it may differ from person to person. In my case, for example, I may feel the same when it comes to a person I do not have any particular connection with. However, I might be a little strange, yet whenever I have someone I care for (be it a real person or a fictional character), the more I know them/become familiar with them/become affectionate towards them, and my sympathy grows, the harder it becomes to imagine or see them in a lewd situation. It is almost as if the more I appreciate them, the less I am thinking about that dose of dopamine coming from sexual pleasure. With some of my favorite characters in fiction, it is just that I tend to prefer seeing them in different kinds of situations. Be they Akyuu (when it comes to Touhou), Ise (when it comes to Azur Lane), or Kaoru (in regards to Amagami), it is probably just personal preference not to see them in a lewd situation. Just the same way, as said before, any form of dopamine coming from sexual desire seems to be dropping whenever I spend time with someone I may have a crush on (or simply that kind of thought does not occur as often/is the last thing in my mind).

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Hello there, I came way across this thread and found these takes interesting so I want to provide my opinion on this as an Agnostic Ex-Muslim Kurdish-Iraqi who lives in the Kurdistan autonomous region. (this post would be geared more into talking about the aspect of Loli content and its "morality" in the region I live in, than a general why touohu fans are steamy).

Very interesting perspective. Thank you for your contribution to the thread.