Do Touhou and gacha work together? (2022 - Touhou LostWord, Danmaku Kagura - closed/going to be revived, Arcadia Record)

[CountVonNumenor]

I actually like that this thread has become more focused on updates for LostWord or Danmaku Kagura. 

That is actually we can go with in this thread, especially since this might be the only thread covering the two games recently. 
 

I know that the events have been all over the place like having Halloween for spring, but I think the team is doing well for to trying to catch up to the jp version.

I mean yeah, I can see the whole effort of trying to catch up with JP, but it feels a little rushed, especially with the releases of units, just like I said in the previous comment. Right now, we have 10 ongoing things (step-ups included) in the Prayer category:

• Remilia Ultra Festival
  
• Eiki & Aunn Step-Up
  
• Eiki & Aunn Festival
  
• Festival Collection Step-Up
  
• Festival Collection 
  
• Yuyuko (Tiny Ghost) & Marisa (Witch of Scarlet Dreams) Ultra Festival
  
• Sakuya (Classic) & Aya (Classic) Step-Up
  
• Sakuya (Classic) & Aya (Classic) Festival
  
• Water EX Step-Up
  
• Water EX Festival
  

Next up, it is very much likely that we will get the Flandre Ultra Festival, as her sister from the Hifuu storyline is already here.
 

I just wish they continue to implement more characters who haven't appeared yet than focus on alts. It does seem that the alts get more priority and I wouldn’t be surprised if we got blue reimu early.

I think the alts getting priority part might have come from the very way the game is structured and its premise, of going in alternate worlds and  meeting different versions of the cast we are familiar with. This all started with the Witch of Scarlet Dreams, and will go for as long as the game is supported. But indeed, it would be nice if we got more of the "normal" characters (I really do not know how to call them anymore). Thing is now, in order to keep the game interesting, the game developers have started to add these characters you are looking for, just that they became insanely powerful (even more so than some of the Ultra FES ones), making some special units irrelevant. Like how Wriggle is still one of the strongest units on JP.

And speaking of JP, outside PC-98, TH17.5 and 18, they have almost everyone in by now. Which just connects again to my idea of how they added 130+ characters in almost 2 years, at a pace of 1 character every 5 days. I was laughing how simply changing the number from 5 to 7 days would have given you like an almost extra year of adding original 2hus from the series. 


Meanwhile, I will just wait for Raiko, Mayumi and whenever the UM cast is coming to Global too (really looking to get Tenkyuu, and perhaps Tsukasa too simply for the fact they are cool). 

 

[CountVonNumenor]

It does seem that the alts get more priority and I wouldn’t be surprised if we got blue reimu early.

Also, about that...

Apparently, Blue Reimu will be her own tier of rarity, something above Ultra Festival. According to the people of the Lost Word subreddit, this new tier will be called "Epic Festival". Now I wonder what else will come in this, or if there will be even higher tiers than this eventually.



And for even more news from the JP server:

Spoiler

New special unit - "Red Sanae" (finally, she can be Player 1 too)

Ran gets Fantasy Rebirth

And so does Chen

Witch of Scarlet Dreams (and SFES units in general) are getting the Step-Up treatment for their banners

 

[Isaac]

I'm not sure if all the new characters that are in the jp version remain strong. When Parsee and Yamame were introduced, they were some of the best in their class. Overtime, Parsee as an attacker was overshadowed by ultra festival characters like Flandre. Her stats and evaluation were lowered too compared to the festival attackers who were buffed more.

I can't wait to see the UM cast as well and I believe they will try to include some of the PC-98 characters at some point. I can see the old Reimu, Marisa, Alice amd Yuuka being made playable.

I can't believe there is a red Sanae! I also can't believe blue reimu is in higher rarity and is probably the highest ranked character now. The idea of Epic festivals seems too much for me. Are Marisa and Youmu going to get more alts or will some current ones shift in rarity I wonder?

The fantasy rebirth outfits for Ran and Chen look great! Same goes for the recent Flan and Remila ones we got too. No matter how many years it takes, I'll patiently wait for Parsee to receive her fantasy rebirth event.

 

[CountVonNumenor]

I'm not sure if all the new characters that are in the jp version remain strong. When Parsee and Yamame were introduced, they were some of the best in their class. Overtime, Parsee as an attacker was overshadowed by ultra festival characters like Flandre. Her stats and evaluation were lowered too compared to the festival attackers who were buffed more.

Wait, did characters on JP other than Meiling actually get buffs? As for the units, this is what the (unofficial) JP tier list looks like:

As you can se, some of these units are new ones. And to make it even more interesting, Eternity Larva, Mayumi, Wriggle and Eika are general pool units, and they still manage to score up to S+ tier. Afterwards, another interesting detail is how FES units can reach the second to be tier, like with PCB Alice, or SS with EoSD Reimu and PCB Yukari. The rest of the FES units, be them the reskins or normal 2hus, still score high. As of 29th of April, none of the reskins scores lower than A tier, while some of the regular FES units even reach C tier (Byakuren, Kanako - both of their "classic" versions are in S tier). 

 

I can't wait to see the UM cast as well and I believe they will try to include some of the PC-98 characters at some point. I can see the old Reimu, Marisa, Alice amd Yuuka being made playable.

Reimu and Marisa already have PC-98 sprites used in story cutscenes, and some of the promotional materials for the game in Japan feature the two. It might not take long until PC-98 characters might actually be a thing.

 

I can't believe there is a red Sanae!

Since we had a Blue Reimu, a Red Sanae would have been obvious. Now the two can complement each other and switch between Player 1 and Player 2
 

Are Marisa and Youmu going to get more alts or will some current ones shift in rarity I wonder?

Good question. Now I really wonder that too. But since Hifuu seems to be going towards the SDM now in creating them alts, I can imagine PCB might be next. And therefore a new Myon.  
 

The fantasy rebirth outfits for Ran and Chen look great! Same goes for the recent Flan and Remilia ones we got too. No matter how many years it takes, I'll patiently wait for Parsee to receive her fantasy rebirth event.

The one for Ran really looks nice. It gives me even more Tamamo no Mae vibe. As for waiting, hope it will be worth. Eventually, all the 2hus might get their own Fantasy Rebirth, and I personally like this thing for the new outfit. I have the one for Youmu, and it's really beautiful (even if it reminds me of her special outfit from Junjo Arumeria). Otherwise, I am quite curious what outfits Akyuu (already confirmed on the JP server) and Eiki will get eventually. 

 

[sodaodaoda]

I forgot to mention one more bit of news. It has been leaked from the JP version that the Unconnected Marketeers cast is soon to make its debut, first one of the bunch being Misumaru (at least at story level or something). Besides, the Blue Reimu will also show up as a banner. Just in time for their second anniversary. Meanwhile, we are getting the "Right or Wrong or Doggo" (yes, that is the actual name) banner I have already mentioned ( Eiki & Aunn)
 

Spoiler

Spoiler

HOLY SHIT!!! MISUMARU MY BELOVED!!! She's my favorite in UM, I am SO glad to see her art!! SHE LOOKS ADORABLE AAAA

Also, about the Blue Reimu, I don't really like her, to be honest, especially because of the no pity thing that she's gonna have.

Also, I know that this is a bit off-topic, but I forgot how bad the drop rates are for units with seal crystals. I'm trying to get Yuuka with them (Since I spent like 300+ god crystals, and I got mostly dupes :c) and no luck.. Meanwhile I got Eiki with a standard 10 pull hehe

Another thing is, while I don't like the power creep, I honestly do like the retro units, and I hope to see PC98 charas too (A few days ago I dreamt that Konngara was in TLW and I tried pulling for her xd), I mostly get them because I want them, rather than meta power thing.

 

[adzi]

Late to the party, and maybe not adding much to the topic... but daym, this Lost Word business weighs heavily on my gamer heart. I want to like this game, and I want to discover the story, but this game is just, like... poor. The fights are in greatest majority completely unengaging and playing them feels like a waste of time, aside from boss battles which SOMETIMES offer something more (the Yukari fight actually stopped me in my tracks for a while, forcing me to master the P management, tracking of buffs, and getting the feel of using Graze... only because my luck with gacha was so lousy that I barely got any Friends, so I did not have any attacks she would be weak against). It would be aggravating to have those completely inconsequential, often completely unexplained in story random fairy battles interrupting the story, if it wasn't so dull! Playing on Hard requires clearing the stages on Normal already, so that's not a fix.. and, anyway, the power curve in this game is pretty steep, so there's hardly any possibility of running into anything that wouldn't be cleared by having higher levels.  The story is kinda interesting, the fanservice for me, atm, mostly tasteful and sometimes funny/hilarious/amusing, without usually getting too offensive, and the artstyle is nice. The inclusion of the player-insert character isn't done too badly (even if characters are weirdly friendly, polite, and welcoming to her).

Yet, I wait for Danmaku Kagura to come out, even if its artstyle seems more dull, just for a chance for ANY real gameplay.

 

[CountVonNumenor]

Late to the party, and maybe not adding much to the topic

Welcome! Never too late to join the party. 

(the Yukari fight actually stopped me in my tracks for a while, forcing me to master the P management, tracking of buffs, and getting the feel of using Graze... only because my luck with gacha was so lousy that I barely got any Friends, so I did not have any attacks she would be weak against).

The Yukari fight in Chapter 1 really is a quite an awakening to reality if you haven't got used to the mechanics. When I first got into that battle, I was lucky to have Lily White part of my team, so I could make use of the Wood breaks our beloved Herald of Spring provides and Yukari's elemental weakness to Wood. However, it is indeed quite a good point where to start learning some of the mechanics and all you have mentioned. 

 

the power curve in this game is pretty steep, so there's hardly any possibility of running into anything that wouldn't be cleared by having higher levels.

I've heard a lot of people saying that that difference from Normal to Hard and then Lunatic feels quite great. However, this is how I remember the things about each difficulty besides the increase in HP and barriers to break:

• Normal: enemies do not use any of their abilities
  
• Hard: enemies use their defensive abilities
  
• Lunatic: enemies use their defensive, offensive and debuff abilities
  

The story is kinda interesting, the fanservice for me, atm, mostly tasteful and sometimes funny/hilarious/amusing, without usually getting too offensive, and the artstyle is nice.

Indeed, besides a relatively low number of character outfits, casual "oh, do you remember when...[insert reference to mainline game]" and the whole Fantasy Rebirth mechanic, there seems to be little fanservice in this game. At least for now... The art style is also quite nice, and I like how consistent it is for every character. The fact they also collaborated with other fan artists and introduced their art in the game through the story card is quite neat too.

One thing that surprised me a little, knowing how fanon can be, is how they decided to depict Eiki Shiki. She has been recently added to Global, and since I like the character, I wanted to get her (which I got, luck enough, in my first x10 prayer). Even if her art makes Eiki look rather average in height, and her battle chibi seems to be a little smaller than that of other characters (LOL), her personality was a pleasant surprise. The game has gone quite a bit with the preachy personality, but, at least in my opinion, her lines also show care and wish for the character to be a good person. Which is quite refreshing from the casual "always angry small girl Eiki who will send you to hell for the pettiest of reasons" fanon got us so used to. 

 

The inclusion of the player-insert character isn't done too badly (even if characters are weirdly friendly, polite, and welcoming to her).

The player-insert part has been done interestingly. I might say this due to not having any prior experience with games where you have self-inserts or isekai, but this one is a little different. First and mainly, there is the part your character is already established to be a girl. Usually, at least from what I know, such games usually let the player pick the gender of the protagonist or make them male, therefore all the jazz and stereotypical "harem" stuff when you have a cast filled with other girls/women/whatever. Then, there is the whole Fantasy Rebirth thing, where, if you go by how some call it - "marry the 2hus", you basically have girl-girl relations. It is funny though how the creators tried giving the protag a bit of personality in the fact that, according to the biggest part of the Lost Word community, she might have a crush on Sakuya based on some of the interactions until now. This comment I have once seen in regards to MC's interactions with the girls in the series always makes me laugh:

 

A: She's really beautiful, and we know Lossy leans that way, so of course she'll stare.
B: MC must be a perpetually blushing trainwreck so everyone just assumes that normal for her.

 

[Isaac]

I'm happy with the way global version has been introducing characters more. Having two characters within the same banner instead of being separate like the jp one. We're finally getting the favourites that people have been waiting for!

Yachie and Mayumi are now here! Hopefully Kogasa and Parsee soon.

 

[Gou the frog]

I'm really late to the part am I? Yeah, don't mind this post snice I accidently post it twice.

 

[Gou the frog]

I'm not sure if all the new characters that are in the jp version remain strong. When Parsee and Yamame were introduced, they were some of the best in their class. Overtime, Parsee as an attacker was overshadowed by ultra festival characters like Flandre. Her stats and evaluation were lowered too compared to the festival attackers who were buffed more.

I believe they're going to fall down the ranks harder than marisa since lunch. We have unexpected buffs and nerfs at times, ex- Meiling climb the ranks, Cirno falls (No more Stronk jokes), Byakuren never going up a rank. (I feel bad for her). Hoshiguma, although I never really got her, I hope she's as strong as they say. (I really don't want Yuugi to fall neither Raiko) 

I can't wait to see the UM cast as well and I believe they will try to include some of the PC-98 characters at some point. I can see the old Reimu, Marisa, Alice amd Yuuka being made playable.

I also hope the cast of Pc-98 shortly arrive since I honestly want to see old familiar faces mainly Mima and Kongara. 

The fantasy rebirth outfits for Ran and Chen look great! Same goes for the recent Flan and Remila ones we got too. No matter how many years it takes, I'll patiently wait for Parsee to receive her fantasy rebirth event.

Yeah, they look astonishing. I shall wait for Yuugi as well with Parsee no matter the time. Decades? Bring it on Ninja. 

 

[CountVonNumenor]

(I really don't want Yuugi to fall neither Raiko)

We did not get Raiko yet in Global, but I really wanna get her. She, Mayumi and Tenkyuu are the last 2hus I need for completing my top 10 list. Also, do you say she fell in rank? Like she was good, and then got a nerf? Or there was no modification, just that her, being a general pool unit, will be weak no matter what? I still cannot help but laugh how Eika, Mayumi, Wriggle and Eternity are General Pool units, and all of them are in the S and S+ tier, and share room with some of the FES and SFES units.

 

 

[Gou the frog]

We did not get Raiko yet in Global, but I really wanna get her. She, Mayumi and Tenkyuu are the last 2hus I need for completing my top 10 list.

Yeah, mate I really do want to welcome Raiko, Shiki, Mima, Yuugi, Elly, Hina with my non existent gacha luck. (Yuuma too if she's going to come out) 

Also, do you say she fell in rank? Like she was good, and then got a nerf? Or there was no modification, just that her, being a general pool unit, will be weak no matter what? I still cannot help but laugh how Eika, Mayumi, Wriggle and Eternity are General Pool units, and all of them are in the S and S+ tier, and share room with some of the FES and SFES units.

I truly failed to express myself properly again.

What I mean is "if there're unexpected nerfs and buffs, I hope that my favs aren't going to nerf to the ground and forgotten. Ex- No costumes, never appearing in any events or overall no fantasy rebirth for decades." (Well, there're people that follow the "Meta") 

 

[CountVonNumenor]

Yeah, mate I really do want to welcome Raiko, Shiki, Mima, Yuugi, Elly, Hina with my non existent gacha luck.

Eiki has her banner right now, and that one will last for 9 more days until the 11th. As for Hina, I think she is a general pool unit, so you should be able to get her eventually. But I guess both of us are still waiting for Raiko. 

 

What I mean is "if there're unexpected nerfs and buffs, I hope that my favs aren't going to nerf to the ground and forgotten. Ex- No costumes, never appearing in any events or overall no fantasy rebirth for decades." (Well, there're people that follow the "Meta") 

I do not think we should worry. At least in the case of Fantasy Rebirth, even weaker, less "meta" units got it until now like Alice, Patchouli, Seiran and Ringo, the fairies and so on. I guess everyone will get that new outfit eventually, at least among the "general" units. 

 

I'm really late to the part am I? Yeah, don't mind this post snice I accidently post it twice.

Never too late to the party. Anyone can join whenever they please. 



Also about Yuuma. She has. funnily enough, been mentioned by Saki in some of her lines. Her victory line refers to both Yachie and Toutetsu:

Woohoo! I'm the best! Did you see that, Kicchou, Toutestu?! I bet you're jealous!

 

[Gou the frog]

Right, remember the times where they give free costumes in events? Yeah, I miss those times too. 

Anyways, have you beaten the Scarlet Devil Tower and if so, what level are you currently in? Damm, if only there was a similar fan game that can fill the hole. Anyways, wish me luck 'cause I'll try to get Shiki-dono.  

 

[CountVonNumenor]

achie and Mayumi are now here! Hopefully Kogasa and Parsee soon.

We have seen them already in the main story so please, for the love of ZUN, someone add them in the game. At least Kogasa and Mayumi. Unless they tie the appearance of normal 2hus in the game with the event they are featured in, and the only characters coming together with the story as banner are the SFES ones.

 

Right, remember the times where they give free costumes in events? Yeah, I miss those times too. 

It really is a shame we longer get the free costumes. I think they stopped doing it after the half a year anniversary, and was just one of the many controversies sparked at the time. 

 

Anyways, have you beaten the Scarlet Devil Tower and if so, what level are you currently in? Damm, if only there was a similar fan game that can fill the hole.

Until now, I really did not play too much of it. I need to beat Floor 15, and just cannot get to do it without wasting a lot of resources. Which is even more ironic, since I have two fully upgraded SFES units (Lunar War Toyohime and Reimu Shaman). I did not manage to beat any of the EX stages either yet, despite the very strong units owned, since most of the times I try playing turn into an unorganized mess of a combat.

 

[Gou the frog]

We have seen them already in the main story so please, for the love of ZUN, someone add them in the game. At least Kogasa and Mayumi. Unless they tie the appearance of normal 2hus in the game with the event they are featured in, and the only characters coming together with the story as banner are the SFES ones.

I do hope so too. May they see the daylight.

It really is a shame we longer get the free costumes. I think they stopped doing it after the half a year anniversary, and was just one of the many controversies sparked at the time. 

Truly is a sad time isn't? Now you can get this limited edition costumes for the low low price of "480" god crystals. Which you can get from "special" errands which will give you 1-3 god crystals but with RNG, you could also pay us and receive your costumes. (I remember when they have 320 costumes in the shop, those were lost in the past.)

Until now, I really did not play too much of it. I need to beat Floor 15, and just cannot get to do it without wasting a lot of resources. Which is even more ironic, since I have two fully upgraded SFES units (Lunar War Toyohime and Reimu Shaman). I did not manage to beat any of the EX stages either yet, despite the very strong units owned, since most of the times I try playing turn into an unorganized mess of a combat.

Actually, I did a lot of big brain decisions when playing Ex stages and especially the tower. Since I'm very familiar with Turn-based games, those're cake walk for me. I'm currently in Floor 48. (I don't have the motivation to do more floors) With only weak teams no S+, S or anything like that. Best case scenario, the boss will miss the attacks and will use a useless spell card. But coming back to the team selection, I only had 17 characters and 70% are occupied by fairies. I did use the continues feature and maximize my whole team. First barrier breaks and pray that your units do oni level damage and No rng gods will curse you. And of course, I've beaten all the Ex stages; those were really a pain on my butt.

 

[CountVonNumenor]

Looks like we are actually gonna get Mayumi starting from today, 5th of May, together with Yachie in a banner. Guess there will be some maintenance beforehand?

 

[Isaac]

Looks like we are actually gonna get Mayumi starting from today, 5th of May, together with Yachie in a banner. Guess there will be some maintenance beforehand?

Yeah, also I love that new characters are being introduced with costumes even if their events aren't available. Can't believe they already included Mayumi's outfit! 

There still isn't many of the UFO cast yet, so I predict someone like Kogasa or Nue will be next. Still hoping for my beloved Parsee!

 

[CountVonNumenor]

Alright, so for a bit more of news roundup:

• there seems to be a massive controversy among fans and in discussion groups about the release of Blue Reimu. Problems range from lazy design and animations to the insanely poor rate to gein her, the whole new Epic FES tier, the fact Blue Reimu needs a completely new kind of paper doll from the norm and Divine types (apparently, JP players received at least 1 of those new papers), and the fact this banner does not contain the Pity mechanic
  
• there has been a bit of discussion about the whole problem of powercreep among the newly introduced characters 
  
• ZUN seems to have been invited for the 2 years anniversary of JP server
  
• Besides the Mayumi and Yachie banner, there seems to be nothing else important coming in the following week in Global
  

Here are 3 discussions on some of the ongoing controversies





I will report again with a status update when something new or interesting will be discussed at the community level 

 

[Agus Mandala]

I also forgot to mention that LW had a most active admin EN gacha game community as official, most JP developers only care to their local community. And big freebies to collect, like i said, FGO but Sightly worse