When does Toho gets good??

[elarstarino]

So, ive been playing some touhou recently after feeling its not it for a while and... its not that good. Maybe its because i played the bad games or somethingg, so thats why i ask where does it get good exactly or maybe a fangame recomendation. So now onwards im gonna be explaining a little bit of my experience with the games ive played, so to see if there is THAT one game i could enjoy.

1. Gensokyou.

Stages are "fun" but could be better, sometimes they feel like a little bit of nothing (specially stage 2, 4 and 5.) Stage 3 is the best one by far, and stage 1 even if not that great its still a cool challange, and 4 while not being the best i can enjoy all the little sections and wierd mid bosses it has, but its on thin ice for me; on a thin line where i sepparated the bad stages and good stages. Scoring is... well, is something. I really dont find its worth engange on it, and it doesnt seem that fun even for challenging myself, maybe im just a bitter mf but its just not that good.

2. Kaikidan.

Really bad stages, like really bad, its just random enemies coming from up the screen and thats it. Stage 1 is BAd, stage 2 is decent, stage 2 is.. is playable, stage 4 is cool and 5 is... uhg just end already. Also, i didnt mention it on my Gensokyou part, but bosses there were great like really great, but here... Sara is plain boring, Louise is cool i guess, Alice is a really cool fight, and Yuki & Mai are pretty cool too, Yumeko is just difficult and uhggg. Shinki is cool i guess, not really outstanding.

3. Koumakyou.

Boring stages, stage 1 is just random enemies coming from up the screen, and waiting for stuff to happe, stage 5 might be the worst ZUN stage i have ever played, its just waiting for the first wave of fairies to end, dodge an attack that with route is automatic, wait to snipe fairies that come from up the screen and dodge their pair fairy attack (wich is a pretty tigh dodge too) then Sakuya mid boss comes... its not a great fight, the other game were kind of RNG hell a lot of times but Sakuya is... please no... after her is some random fairy attacks and more tigh dodges... and thats it... btw DOJ is like around the same year as EoSD. Stage 2 is good but only for normal (note to clarify that i play always on Lunatic just to get the "real" game and just so first satges are fun and not just normal and hard fodder, im not even that good, its only that hard and downwards is even more boring.) Stage 3 is fun, but it should be satge 1, and its not even hat fun since a lot of parts is just waiting for the fluffy white balls to appear on left to right and just streaming to the sides sometimes... but the routing is cool. And bosses are pretty boring, non spells are pretty dang fun like one of the best zun patterns ever... spellcards suck, only good spellcards are Remilia (well non spells still better lmao) and MAYBE Sakuya but only MAYBE.

4. Yoyoumu.

FUCKING BAD STAGES... really, really bad. Stage 1 is just waiting for the enemies, stage 2 is so boring man its just waiting for the big stuff to happen just to side it ad thats it, stage 3 is just a lot of fairies falling down the screen... like dude are we for real?? i dont even want to play more of that game, ive recently only played the trial 0.06a and dude i dont want to play stage 4, i seen it on videos and like, please no not anymore please get away from me. Scoring aint that great, is just a BARELY DIFFERENT DREAM BAR THAT JUST INFLATES YOU WITH RESOURCES. bosses suck too, theyre just so boring, nothing really stuck with me, all of them were so slown, a lot of uhh.. how do i say it? a lot of like condense slow bullets?? idk but all of them have like a similar final attack (alice has it more on the middle but okay) and like dude those attacj sucks, theyre extremly boring to dodge, just slowly tap when in danger and thats it. Also on the other 3 games i didnt have proble with the music, i really liked it, but on this game stage 2 and stage 2 boss tracks suck, suck so much i want to skip stage 2 completly, and a lot of S4 upwards music isnt for my liking so uhh, less enjoyment sadly.

5 Seirensen.

I didnt play much really, mostly stage 1 and 2, but i got unmotivated after Nazrin. She is... pretty dang boring, her mid boss nons are like whatever fine, just end already, her spellcard is really not that interesting, feels even like fillers; i would have persoanlly ended the encounter after her nons and thats it. Her boss fight is... uhg, holy copypaste for the nons, like dude stop with the copy pasted attacks, her spells are... okay the first one is like another RNG slop, the mid boss even if filler i could pass it, but another RNG?? ZUN IM FUCKING BORED OF THESE ATTACKS, AND ITS A CLOSE ENCOUNTER RNG ATTACK, ITS NOT EVEN AN STAGE ATTACK ITS JUST A SPELLCARD WITH RANDOM ELEMENTS TO DODGE AND RAW IT, I WANT TO ROUTE I WANT TO HAVE STRATEGY I WANT TO MEMORIZE THE GAME, WE DONT HAVE TO ROUTE A DESTRUCTION FOR HER OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT MATTERS MORE TO THE ENTIRE BOSS OUTSIDE LIVE AND BOMB RESOURCES, ITS JUST RNG PLEASE TOP. Her final is okay id say but the rest of stage unmotivated me. Also stage 1 is just whatever, the ufos are fine but feels a lot of desing to make it easier to get ufos and, dude okay the ufos are cool and i liked them but do something else, second half of stage is just string of enemies (that are only fairies BTW, the downgrade on enemy desing is notorious.) that you kill to farm ufos and thats it. Not really interesting for survival only annoying and filler until Nazrin.


So, if someone had even bothered to read this, you know when touhou gets good? as id say, i maybe only played the bad games, even on my new comer year of 2021 i didnt enjoy PCB and even tried SA (didnt like it that much either). Maybe recommend a fangame or something, i like Len'en and specially the originals 1.00 versions, also ive been trying stuff like Ketsui and its quite cool, i need to get better at my to routing there as im bad at doin the ship of stage 3 but its mad fun.

Also long live to original PC98 ost and Total Akyus Touched Score Death hehehehe >:3
(also this is my first post so hi people).

 

[laselle]

Consider play the games on modes that are not lunatic and/or when you want to feel relax and appreciate the games other people made with care, as well try to understand game design sometimes comes to be a mess and the devs just make what they think will be cohesive in their games even if that doesnt make sense to us or in our opinion is a bad design, but in the mind of the devs it was good, or sometimes specially to small teams like this case one team man, they just try to do what they can and end up releasing games that are probably objectively not the best...

when does it start to be good... when you start to consider the games from a diferent perspectives probably ?? and not only :

stage 1 is just random enemies coming from up the screen, and waiting for stuff to happe

i mean isnt bullet games like 90% of this like enemies coming from off the screen and shooting at you

 

[elarstarino]

Consider play the games on modes that are not lunatic

I mean... isnt that like the only real difficulty? im already getting bored at the difficulty the game throws everything at you, so why go lower, ZUN lower difficulties as far as i know are just the same stage but with less bullets; i want to play a dang game not a wait for stuff to happen.

and appreciate the games other people made with care

Touhou 5 was made in like 4 months and ZUN can do games in a single month...

as well try to understand game design sometimes comes to be a mess

Isnt my post talking about game desing and how i dont like it?

but in the mind of the devs it was good

is this a ZUN apologist reply or what??? im asking for a toho game that i might enjoy even if its a fangame or even another shmup if toho isnt for me... (^^'

specially to small teams like this case one team man

TRIS-GRAM DID STELLA VANITY IN A CAVE WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAP

objectively not the best

JYNX DID LEN'EN IN A CAVE WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAP

okay i will stop with that bit im sorry...

when you start to consider the games from a diferent perspectives probably ??

what... dude these are shmups, these are action games, i want action on my action game that requires routing and execution... i hate their story from Yoyoumu upwards, these for me are only games and games only, specially since guys like BASA on tiktok just not make me wanna engage on the more lore side of the saga as... those people can be... uhh.... yucky.

i mean isnt bullet games like 90% of this like enemies coming from off the screen and shooting at you

uhh, no? well not exactly. They come in different shape and formations, lets call them formations, and you deal with those enemy formations in very different ways and can be dictated with other enemy types. In Ketsui on Stage 3 before entering the watery side, there is a lof of elite enemies that foce you going side to side, then a big flyingg ship appears that forces you on fight it after some popcorn that tried to kill you, the encounter is basically a 1v1 and when its killed, boat appears from the sides and you need to kill some tanks that are on the ground coming from the other side of the screen more down the screen near the player, and to kill the ship more comfy, kill the tanks then the boat.

On for example touhou 5 stage 1 is just random stuff coming with not a single tough of thinking behing their position, on the most high part of the screen... FOR 3 FUCKING MINUTES.

i will not hate that game that much since it was crunched but.. yikes, thats sad, for example Ketsui had a more involed stage 1 and even if not that hard it was massive fun wich is what matter for me.

Thats why i said i might have tried the bad games... but i also tried touhou 17 with a mod that makes you play as Mystia but with flashbombs, and stage 1 was also painfully slow... atleast boss was... ehggg.... lets not talk about that game but well, i mean 2019 shmup from legacy developer... yeiii...

 

[laselle]

Touhou 5 was made in like 4 months and ZUN can do games in a single month...

so why to bother with this ?? if you know the man pretty much make the same

Isnt my post talking about game desing

not at all dude, u just talked of your experience, this was boring and this i didnt like it so when does it really start the real game, thats all your post

TRIS-GRAM DID STELLA VANITY IN A CAVE WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAP

JYNX DID LEN'EN IN A CAVE WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAP

i may not be the most educated person when it comes to touhou but im not stupid and may know one or two things when it comes to develop things

 

[elarstarino]

so why to bother with this ?? if you know the man pretty much make the same

the post was made for discussion and for people to kinda try and selling me their favorite game... like

"Yo you should try touhou 20 because x and stage works kinda like z and its cool to route"

i swear i meet lunatic players that you ask them those type of question and cant reply... YOU 1CC A GAME WDYM YOU KNOW NOTHING INTERESTING ABOUT THAT GAME.

So i came to Touhou Place Number 10 to ask and discuss... i literally said i played the bad games, like asking if there is any other good game you people might know... EVEN FANGAMES I SAID FANGAMES OR OTHER SHMUPS!! grrr

not at all dude, u just talked of your experience, this was boring and this i didnt like it so when does it really start the real game, thats all your post

Didnt i elaborate on why i didnt like stage 5 os EoSD???... Or UFO and its RNG and how i find it boring with Nariz RNG and the stage feeling like filler, as its just a lot of eneme in stringa to farm for UFO's ane basically nothint else??? if you want me to talk more about it i can, i even said an example of what a cool stage desing is with Ketsui and comparing it with Kaikidan. And you just said i had to dig up its desing instead of not liking it, can i please not enjoy something please? reminds me of that soyjak oF ENJOY THINGS or something, lol.

i really dont get that this reply, i even read it as pressed... umh....

sorry if im being too honest or blunt, but really, you are not giving any solutions, i only feel the replies as pressed or bothered, specially with the comments of me not understanding and my need on trying to understand the games more....

i may not be the most educated person when it comes to touhou but im not stupid and may know one or two things when it comes to develop things

Like please just tell me a touhou related shmup you like omg bruh, i like len'en 1 1.01a A LOT its so good, so if you have a fangame or something like that just share it like omg. I swear if you reply like that again im gonna... uhh idk, i really dont have anything to do for that so... uhhh..

Hi.

 

[laselle]

fine ok i will ignore all of the rest honestly just touhou 15 i have played and have like it if that helps you somehow...

So i came to Touhou Place Number 10 to ask and discuss

mm out of curiosity what you mean by touhou place number 10 xD what are the remaining 9 shrines

 

[YuyuFumo]

I honestly don't know what you're looking for in the series, as your posts in this thread come off as nothing more than incoherent, schizophrenic ramblings. And now, because I've wasted my time trying to understand this thread in an attempt to genuinely help you, I'm going to take the piss out of your comments:

then Sakuya mid boss comes... its not a great fight, the other game were kind of RNG hell a lot of times but Sakuya is... please no

Blowing a gasket about an RNG pattern in an RNG heavy game while you're playing on the hardest difficulty is like complaining that your ice cream wasn't served hot; it's nonsensical and makes it seem that you only came here to bitch about something stupid.

i dont even want to play more of that game, ive recently only played the trial 0.06a

If I'm understanding this dumpster fire of a sentence correctly, you played a trial version (i.e an unfinished prototype) of PCB and decided not to continue onto the finished, final product because it didn't feel polished? Again, I really don't know what you're expecting when you could've just downloaded and played the official release.

bosses suck too, theyre just so boring, nothing really stuck with me, all of them were so slown, a lot of uhh.. how do i say it? a lot of like condense slow bullets?? idk but all of them have like a similar final attack (alice has it more on the middle but okay) and like dude those attacj sucks, theyre extremly boring to dodge, just slowly tap when in danger and thats it.

Again, I have no clue as to why you find these fights bad outside of "ugh, I have to micro dodge in a danmaku" and "ugh, these patterns are kinda similar". I might be able to contribute something meaningful if you give specific examples of what you think is 'boring', but this is just pissing and moaning for the sake of doing so.

I didnt play much really, mostly stage 1 and 2, but i got unmotivated after Nazrin. She is... pretty dang boring

Yeah, you mean the first stage boss? I'm no game design expert, but I'm pretty sure the first stage isn't supposed to be bone-crushingly difficult. Basing your entire viewpoint of UFO on Nazrin's fight and pouting about how you don't want to play the rest of the game because of her makes you look really dumb.

but another RNG?? ZUN IM FUCKING BORED OF THESE ATTACKS, AND ITS A CLOSE ENCOUNTER RNG ATTACK, ITS NOT EVEN AN STAGE ATTACK ITS JUST A SPELLCARD WITH RANDOM ELEMENTS TO DODGE AND RAW IT, I WANT TO ROUTE I WANT TO HAVE STRATEGY I WANT TO MEMORIZE THE GAME, WE DONT HAVE TO ROUTE A DESTRUCTION FOR HER OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT MATTERS MORE TO THE ENTIRE BOSS OUTSIDE LIVE AND BOMB RESOURCES, ITS JUST RNG PLEASE TOP.

Jesus dude, it's just a video game, no need for you to sperg out over it. The scary mouse commander isn't real, and she's not going to hurt you.

is this a ZUN apologist reply or what??? im asking for a toho game that i might enjoy even if its a fangame or even another shmup if toho isnt for me... (^^'

> Asks other people on the forum for advice on how to better enjoy the Touhou games
> Gets advice to look at the games with a different perspective, perhaps what ZUN originally intended when designing them
> REEEEEEE, WHAT ARE YOU, A ZUN APOLOGIST???

Unreal. Point of advice to you, don't post questions in the forums if you're just going to be a combative asshole with the people that respond. Better yet, take that shit to somewhere like Xitter or Tumblr where it's more commonplace.

 

[Idkism]

Oh yeah most touhou games have lacking stage design, often times they're boring, or just random shit galore. This is due to the game not focusing on the stage aspect and "Spell Card Capturing" being the main focus, so there's not a lot to captivate you in terms of stages and therefore tend to just be waiting rooms for the bosses.
I'd personally tell you to try games that actually try to get you thinking about stages, like IN or UFO, especially UFO with its system encouraging routing and planning ahead. If that doesn't work there's a few fangames that does stages well. The ones that are on top of my mind are Phantasmagoria Trues and maybe Elegant Impermanence of Sakura? The point is that they have mechanics that makes you hone in on how and why you're moving inside the stage rather than a simple honest dodging sesh. If that doesn't work either, you might as well branch out and play other shmups, CAVE does it well, Psikyo does it, Taito does it well especially with Darius yadda yadda...

 

[fazun]

So, ive been playing some touhou recently after feeling its not it for a while and... its not that good. Maybe its because i played the bad games or somethingg, so thats why i ask where does it get good exactly or maybe a fangame recomendation. So now onwards im gonna be explaining a little bit of my experience with the games ive played, so to see if there is THAT one game i could enjoy.

1. Gensokyou.

Stages are "fun" but could be better, sometimes they feel like a little bit of nothing (specially stage 2, 4 and 5.) Stage 3 is the best one by far, and stage 1 even if not that great its still a cool challange, and 4 while not being the best i can enjoy all the little sections and wierd mid bosses it has, but its on thin ice for me; on a thin line where i sepparated the bad stages and good stages. Scoring is... well, is something. I really dont find its worth engange on it, and it doesnt seem that fun even for challenging myself, maybe im just a bitter mf but its just not that good.

2. Kaikidan.

Really bad stages, like really bad, its just random enemies coming from up the screen and thats it. Stage 1 is BAd, stage 2 is decent, stage 2 is.. is playable, stage 4 is cool and 5 is... uhg just end already. Also, i didnt mention it on my Gensokyou part, but bosses there were great like really great, but here... Sara is plain boring, Louise is cool i guess, Alice is a really cool fight, and Yuki & Mai are pretty cool too, Yumeko is just difficult and uhggg. Shinki is cool i guess, not really outstanding.

3. Koumakyou.

Boring stages, stage 1 is just random enemies coming from up the screen, and waiting for stuff to happe, stage 5 might be the worst ZUN stage i have ever played, its just waiting for the first wave of fairies to end, dodge an attack that with route is automatic, wait to snipe fairies that come from up the screen and dodge their pair fairy attack (wich is a pretty tigh dodge too) then Sakuya mid boss comes... its not a great fight, the other game were kind of RNG hell a lot of times but Sakuya is... please no... after her is some random fairy attacks and more tigh dodges... and thats it... btw DOJ is like around the same year as EoSD. Stage 2 is good but only for normal (note to clarify that i play always on Lunatic just to get the "real" game and just so first satges are fun and not just normal and hard fodder, im not even that good, its only that hard and downwards is even more boring.) Stage 3 is fun, but it should be satge 1, and its not even hat fun since a lot of parts is just waiting for the fluffy white balls to appear on left to right and just streaming to the sides sometimes... but the routing is cool. And bosses are pretty boring, non spells are pretty dang fun like one of the best zun patterns ever... spellcards suck, only good spellcards are Remilia (well non spells still better lmao) and MAYBE Sakuya but only MAYBE.

4. Yoyoumu.

FUCKING BAD STAGES... really, really bad. Stage 1 is just waiting for the enemies, stage 2 is so boring man its just waiting for the big stuff to happen just to side it ad thats it, stage 3 is just a lot of fairies falling down the screen... like dude are we for real?? i dont even want to play more of that game, ive recently only played the trial 0.06a and dude i dont want to play stage 4, i seen it on videos and like, please no not anymore please get away from me. Scoring aint that great, is just a BARELY DIFFERENT DREAM BAR THAT JUST INFLATES YOU WITH RESOURCES. bosses suck too, theyre just so boring, nothing really stuck with me, all of them were so slown, a lot of uhh.. how do i say it? a lot of like condense slow bullets?? idk but all of them have like a similar final attack (alice has it more on the middle but okay) and like dude those attacj sucks, theyre extremly boring to dodge, just slowly tap when in danger and thats it. Also on the other 3 games i didnt have proble with the music, i really liked it, but on this game stage 2 and stage 2 boss tracks suck, suck so much i want to skip stage 2 completly, and a lot of S4 upwards music isnt for my liking so uhh, less enjoyment sadly.

5 Seirensen.

I didnt play much really, mostly stage 1 and 2, but i got unmotivated after Nazrin. She is... pretty dang boring, her mid boss nons are like whatever fine, just end already, her spellcard is really not that interesting, feels even like fillers; i would have persoanlly ended the encounter after her nons and thats it. Her boss fight is... uhg, holy copypaste for the nons, like dude stop with the copy pasted attacks, her spells are... okay the first one is like another RNG slop, the mid boss even if filler i could pass it, but another RNG?? ZUN IM FUCKING BORED OF THESE ATTACKS, AND ITS A CLOSE ENCOUNTER RNG ATTACK, ITS NOT EVEN AN STAGE ATTACK ITS JUST A SPELLCARD WITH RANDOM ELEMENTS TO DODGE AND RAW IT, I WANT TO ROUTE I WANT TO HAVE STRATEGY I WANT TO MEMORIZE THE GAME, WE DONT HAVE TO ROUTE A DESTRUCTION FOR HER OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT MATTERS MORE TO THE ENTIRE BOSS OUTSIDE LIVE AND BOMB RESOURCES, ITS JUST RNG PLEASE TOP. Her final is okay id say but the rest of stage unmotivated me. Also stage 1 is just whatever, the ufos are fine but feels a lot of desing to make it easier to get ufos and, dude okay the ufos are cool and i liked them but do something else, second half of stage is just string of enemies (that are only fairies BTW, the downgrade on enemy desing is notorious.) that you kill to farm ufos and thats it. Not really interesting for survival only annoying and filler until Nazrin.


So, if someone had even bothered to read this, you know when touhou gets good? as id say, i maybe only played the bad games, even on my new comer year of 2021 i didnt enjoy PCB and even tried SA (didnt like it that much either). Maybe recommend a fangame or something, i like Len'en and specially the originals 1.00 versions, also ive been trying stuff like Ketsui and its quite cool, i need to get better at my to routing there as im bad at doin the ship of stage 3 but its mad fun.

Also long live to original PC98 ost and Total Akyus Touched Score Death hehehehe >:3
(also this is my first post so hi people).

Just say you don't like touhou pal. It doesn't get better after HSiFS at all. Play another game

 

[laselle]

Elegant Impermanence of Sakura?

just mentioned because is the game you want the next kumite

 

[Idkism]

just mentioned because is the game you want the next kumite

Voted for Book of Star Mythology, holy fake interest

 

[elarstarino]

Oh yeah most touhou games have lacking stage design, often times they're boring, or just random shit galore. This is due to the game not focusing on the stage aspect and "Spell Card Capturing" being the main focus, so there's not a lot to captivate you in terms of stages and therefore tend to just be waiting rooms for the bosses.
I'd personally tell you to try games that actually try to get you thinking about stages, like IN or UFO, especially UFO with its system encouraging routing and planning ahead. If that doesn't work there's a few fangames that does stages well. The ones that are on top of my mind are Phantasmagoria Trues and maybe Elegant Impermanence of Sakura? The point is that they have mechanics that makes you hone in on how and why you're moving inside the stage rather than a simple honest dodging sesh. If that doesn't work either, you might as well branch out and play other shmups, CAVE does it well, Psikyo does it, Taito does it well especially with Darius yadda yadda...

I need to try Psikyo. Thanks for atleast try and help and discuss a little bit more than trying to kill me for bitching and being a bitch (Wich i am!!!). As is said, i got unmotivated with UFO because of stage 1, i really want ti play that game, stage 1 doesnt feel that good but, i bet the rest of the game is... is just that Nazrin... it gets me unmotivated.

Id try one day the games recomendated, thanks!

 

[elarstarino]

I honestly don't know what you're looking for in the series, as your posts in this thread come off as nothing more than incoherent, schizophrenic ramblings. And now, because I've wasted my time trying to understand this thread in an attempt to genuinely help you, I'm going to take the piss out of your comments:

I am really worse than epstein because i didnt like the games id tried? Please tell me why im incoherent, do like a long post why, i want to see my errors. And yeah i came here to bitch a bit but, i also really want to express how i felt with the saga and games, even if bitching is it wrong if i didnt enjoy them? I have enjoyed other shmups, so whats wrong with 2hu? umhmhmh. Also wdym "What i want from thr saga" i just want some games, like for example of a 2hu game i REALLY LIKE is GFW. Im playing Lunatic GFW and its just so cool that you have to route a lot of encounters, and there is not really a lot of RNG checks, the Freeze gimmick and justt BULLSHIT attacks are funny, im just laughting my ass off those ridiculous attacks.

Blowing a gasket about an RNG pattern in an RNG heavy game while you're playing on the hardest difficulty is like complaining that your ice cream wasn't served hot; it's nonsensical and makes it seem that you only came here to bitch about something stupid.

Something wrong about me not liking it? as id say, i have might try the bad games, and even if RNG "heavy" Sakuya is just too much, id say its even boring, Meiling had better use of the RNG id say, or atleast a more fun one. Sakuya is just raw and raw only. And why so mad at me lol, why so pressed, "nonsensical" and "stupid" holy, let me bitch about these games for the love of ZUN. And AS I SAID BEFORE, I PLAY ON LUNATIC BECAUSE ZUN STAGE DESING SUCKS, IM SLEEPING EVEN ON LUNATIC, IM NOT PLAYING FODDER ON NORMAL IF MAX DIFF IS ALREADY BORING. it isnt even THAT HARD is just boring, and i want fun, like stage 1 on EoSD and Stage 2 are just nothing in Normal and hard. Even in my New Comer era i started playing STAGE 1 IN HARD BECAUSE IT WAS TOO BORING FOR ME, SOMETHING WRONG I WANT A DENSE GAME??? holy hell i even adressed why i play on max diff, and the worse part is that im decent enough to give a fight on Lunatic. I might try UFO on Lunatic more out of spite, since stage 1 even if not the greatest, stage 2 and 3 seem more fun and bosses seem brutal too.

ggrrrr grrrr... grrr!!!!

Yeah, you mean the first stage boss? I'm no game design expert, but I'm pretty sure the first stage isn't supposed to be bone-crushingly difficult. Basing your entire viewpoint of UFO on Nazrin's fight and pouting about how you don't want to play the rest of the game because of her makes you look really dumb.

NO NO NO NO WHAT??? Im dumb but i never said THAT I BASED MY WHOLE UFO VIEW ON HER, I BRINGER STAGE 1 BECAUSE IT GOT ME UNMOTIVATED SINCE I DIDNT LIKE IT, THATS IT, I DIDNT LIKE HER BOSS FIGHT AND STAGE 1 COULD BE BETTER AND JUST PRACTICING THAT STAGE MAKES ME NUMB, AND EVEN IF THE REST OF THE GAME IS GOOD I JUST DONT WANT TO PLAY THAT STAGE. DUDE I WANT TO PLAY THAT GAME I LIKED THE UFOS, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IM HATING THE WHOLE GAME ONLY FOR STAGE 1, AND EVEN IF I DO, WHY I CANT JUST SAY I DONT LIKE STAGE 1???

Wahhh im gonna cry, im sad, im very very sad, this reply is just attacking me and just ignoring my viewpoints because you felt im dumb, as i didnt like ZUN masterpieces, waahhh (sorry if im just creating a fake you to make fun of the situation, but really, what is this reply dude ).

Also i said that Ketsui stage 1 is fun, thats stage is not bone crushingly hard, but ITS REALLY FUN!! Im not into Geometry Slop levels of difficulty really, im more into dense but fun, i just want dense gameplay non stop with cool music and just not a lot of things to do and not just wait for stuff to happen, or that the game gets fun when scoring; survival must be good too.

Jesus dude, it's just a video game, no need for you to sperg out over it. The scary mouse commander isn't real, and she's not going to hurt you.

its hurting me emotionally, im a cry baby with a soft heart, i cry and wah wah.

> Asks other people on the forum for advice on how to better enjoy the Touhou games
> Gets advice to look at the games with a different perspective, perhaps what ZUN originally intended when designing them
> REEEEEEE, WHAT ARE YOU, A ZUN APOLOGIST???

I mean brub really did just come and say "YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE INDIE DEV HE IS GOOD WHY YOU HATE HIS WORK" and like, dude please tell me a good fricking game then I might try Ten Disires, it seems fine, but like please stop try and telling me im dumb for not enjoying ZUN games because his stages are bad, and i play on Lunatic to make them good. Like also you ignored me yapping about stage 5 and just skipped about me not liking Sakuya, when what i hate the most is the stage . Atleast the staff gave me some cool recommendations and try to understand me better without calling me a bitch, i mean I AM A BITCH AND I LIKE BITCHING AND DISCUSSING, but dude...

mmhhggg... *sad puppy noises*

 

[elarstarino]

Just say you don't like touhou pal. It doesn't get better after HSiFS at all. Play another game

I will have it on mind thanks

 

[fazun]

I am really worse than epstein because i didnt like the games id tried? Please tell me why im incoherent, do like a long post why, i want to see my errors. And yeah i came here to bitch a bit but, i also really want to express how i felt with the saga and games, even if bitching is it wrong if i didnt enjoy them? I have enjoyed other shmups, so whats wrong with 2hu? umhmhmh. Also wdym "What i want from thr saga" i just want some games, like for example of a 2hu game i REALLY LIKE is GFW. Im playing Lunatic GFW and its just so cool that you have to route a lot of encounters, and there is not really a lot of RNG checks, the Freeze gimmick and justt BULLSHIT attacks are funny, im just laughting my ass off those ridiculous attacks.


Something wrong about me not liking it? as id say, i have might try the bad games, and even if RNG "heavy" Sakuya is just too much, id say its even boring, Meiling had better use of the RNG id say, or atleast a more fun one. Sakuya is just raw and raw only. And why so mad at me lol, why so pressed, "nonsensical" and "stupid" holy, let me bitch about these games for the love of ZUN. And AS I SAID BEFORE, I PLAY ON LUNATIC BECAUSE ZUN STAGE DESING SUCKS, IM SLEEPING EVEN ON LUNATIC, IM NOT PLAYING FODDER ON NORMAL IF MAX DIFF IS ALREADY BORING. it isnt even THAT HARD is just boring, and i want fun, like stage 1 on EoSD and Stage 2 are just nothing in Normal and hard. Even in my New Comer era i started playing STAGE 1 IN HARD BECAUSE IT WAS TOO BORING FOR ME, SOMETHING WRONG I WANT A DENSE GAME??? holy hell i even adressed why i play on max diff, and the worse part is that im decent enough to give a fight on Lunatic. I might try UFO on Lunatic more out of spite, since stage 1 even if not the greatest, stage 2 and 3 seem more fun and bosses seem brutal too.

ggrrrr grrrr... grrr!!!!


NO NO NO NO WHAT??? Im dumb but i never said THAT I BASED MY WHOLE UFO VIEW ON HER, I BRINGER STAGE 1 BECAUSE IT GOT ME UNMOTIVATED SINCE I DIDNT LIKE IT, THATS IT, I DIDNT LIKE HER BOSS FIGHT AND STAGE 1 COULD BE BETTER AND JUST PRACTICING THAT STAGE MAKES ME NUMB, AND EVEN IF THE REST OF THE GAME IS GOOD I JUST DONT WANT TO PLAY THAT STAGE. DUDE I WANT TO PLAY THAT GAME I LIKED THE UFOS, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IM HATING THE WHOLE GAME ONLY FOR STAGE 1, AND EVEN IF I DO, WHY I CANT JUST SAY I DONT LIKE STAGE 1???

Wahhh im gonna cry, im sad, im very very sad, this reply is just attacking me and just ignoring my viewpoints because you felt im dumb, as i didnt like ZUN masterpieces, waahhh (sorry if im just creating a fake you to make fun of the situation, but really, what is this reply dude ).

Also i said that Ketsui stage 1 is fun, thats stage is not bone crushingly hard, but ITS REALLY FUN!! Im not into Geometry Slop levels of difficulty really, im more into dense but fun, i just want dense gameplay non stop with cool music and just not a lot of things to do and not just wait for stuff to happen, or that the game gets fun when scoring; survival must be good too.


its hurting me emotionally, im a cry baby with a soft heart, i cry and wah wah.

I mean brub really did just come and say "YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE INDIE DEV HE IS GOOD WHY YOU HATE HIS WORK" and like, dude please tell me a good fricking game then I might try Ten Disires, it seems fine, but like please stop try and telling me im dumb for not enjoying ZUN games because his stages are bad, and i play on Lunatic to make them good. Like also you ignored me yapping about stage 5 and just skipped about me not liking Sakuya, when what i hate the most is the stage . Atleast the staff gave me some cool recommendations and try to understand me better without calling me a bitch, i mean I AM A BITCH AND I LIKE BITCHING AND DISCUSSING, but dude...

mmhhggg... *sad puppy noises*

Your problem is that you're summoning walls of text because... you're so good at games that even japanese shitdiegaming cannot break you? Just say it, no need to show your dominance in such ways.
Also Ten Desires is the easiest touhou.
Also you seem drunk

 

[elarstarino]

Your problem is that you're summoning walls of text because... you're so good at games that even japanese shitdiegaming cannot break you? Just say it, no need to show your dominance in such ways.
Also Ten Desires is the easiest touhou.
Also you seem drunk

im not that good dont worry is just that ZUN games feels empty, maybe id try the fangames staff recommended, or try UFO more heheh. Idk i like Lotus Land Story stage 3 and Stage 4 has some very cool sections, like the ones where there are enemies coming from down the screen to upwards, then shooting randomly at you then before all of them dissapear there is Mid Boss number 2, and midbosses from stage 4 are really dang cool to play agaisnt. And Also those strings of enemies on stage 4 and stage 3 strinfs of high HP balls. Theyre cool muehehehe.

And i will still play Ten Desires if its cool, i guess its also route heavy, i only hope its fun. Maybe 16 is cool since it plays kinda like Len'en as its flashbombs lol.

And i might be dunk, i ate some bread, so if i have that rare disease that makes carbs into alchol... umhh...

And no, im not dominant im switch.

 

[fazun]

im not that good dont worry is just that ZUN games feels empty, maybe id try the fangames staff recommended, or try UFO more heheh. Idk i like Lotus Land Story stage 3 and Stage 4 has some very cool sections, like the ones where there are enemies coming from down the screen to upwards, then shooting randomly at you then before all of them dissapear there is Mid Boss number 2, and midbosses from stage 4 are really dang cool to play agaisnt. And Also those strings of enemies on stage 4 and stage 3 strinfs of high HP balls. Theyre cool muehehehe.

It's known that Zun obviously very rarely pays attention to the stage, the best example I can name just now is the space invader fairies from the last stage of ufo.

And no, im not dominant im switch.

I guess pal

 

[Idkism]

I need to try Psikyo. Thanks for atleast try and help and discuss a little bit more than trying to kill me for bitching and being a bitch (Wich i am!!!). As is said, i got unmotivated with UFO because of stage 1, i really want ti play that game, stage 1 doesnt feel that good but, i bet the rest of the game is... is just that Nazrin... it gets me unmotivated.

Id try one day the games recomendated, thanks!

Stage 1 can be a slog but don't let it deter you from actually playing the game, the UFO system is very well integrated and routing heavy. What I like about it most though is how flexible it is; playing for score will make you focus more on blue/rainbow UFOs, and playing for survival will make you focus more on getting reds and greens. The point is that as long as you route your stages you can enjoy interacting with the gimmick, it's freeing and I love it!

 

[YuyuFumo]

Your problem is that you're summoning walls of text because... you're so good at games that even japanese shitdiegaming cannot break you? Just say it, no need to show your dominance in such ways.
Also Ten Desires is the easiest touhou.
Also you seem drunk

Wow, you put that a lot more eloquently than I did.

Atleast the staff gave me some cool recommendations and try to understand me better without calling me a bitch, i mean I AM A BITCH AND I LIKE BITCHING AND DISCUSSING, but dude...

Okay, I'll quit being a jackass for a moment to give you some actual advice. First, don't post your crash outs here or make them public, it's fuel for people to make fun of you like I did; There's a reason why Chris-Chan was a lolcow for as long as he was. Second, if you're going to post here, please attempt to make your points coherent and understandable for the shrine goers. Fazun kinda summed in up, but your initial post came off more as you complaining that you're 'too good' at these games and that they're not engaging enough for you rather than being humble and legitimately seeking a recommendation for something new. It may have not been your intent for the post to look that way, but that's how it reads to folks like myself and it paints you in a bad light.

Did I have to be a jerk about it in my response? No, not really. But it shows how easy someone could pick apart your walls of text and take it as something it's not with the way you phrase things. Bottom line, just keep things short and simple. If it looks like it can be misconstrued or taken the wrong way, then it will be taken the wrong way.

To answer your original question, I've not played many danmakus outside of the official Touhou games, which really don't vary from one another outside of gimmicks. If turn-based strategy games like Fire Emblem strike your fancy, though, I can strongly recommend Fantasy Maiden Wars.

 

[Idkism]

Stop walltexting each other like couples on heat already snd maybe talk about shmups?