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RT6: Revenge of the Remix Tournament

Alright, let's see if I can remember everything I wanted to get out here.

First up, I really enjoyed hosting this. It's a surprisingly effective change in perspective; I don't have to think about how to articulate my own thoughts, but get to take in more fully the differing viewpoints presented by others. Behind the scenes, I took a bit more initiative in arranging submissions to maximize efficiency in presentation, and intentionally held off on deciding some of my own submissions so as to potentially assist in diversifying the variety of genre representation. Figuring out formatting and troubleshooting resulted in a satisfying sense of things coming together that I hadn't expected to experience, and very much appreciated.

Secondly, on the matter of the tournament overall average. For some reason, I recalled this being a standard tally, but now looking back I find it's only been explicitly recorded once (though alluded to on other occasions). I included it because I consider it a useful statistic, as it theoretically helps define in a mathematical way how tournaments compare to each other. That being said, I don't personally believe we should be aiming for a high average, since that would presuppose aiming for submission that would appeal to other participants rather than discoveries that appeal to us personally. Ultimately these tournaments are about discovery, but they also present a unique angle of exploration beyond what we might be familiar with, and instigation to understand why we each enjoy some styles and not others. I might even go so far as to present (though not outright encourage) the possibility of submitting pieces we don't necessarily like ourselves but consider worth discussion, even though such submission might bring down a tournament's average ratings.

Thirdly, three most personally memorable remixes. Not technically a spoiler, but I'll put it in a box anyway.

CrazyBeats - Pasporte
There's such a charming fun to this piece, even if you don't know/look up the lyrics.

Touhou Jihen - OHKAMIYOHOTOKEYO
IMO, underrated (literally); this would have gotten no less than a 9/10 from me, and possibly higher.

Rolling Contract - On My Own
Even now, I'm surprised how much this one has stuck with me.

Honorable mention to silenced majority, which completely blew me away when I heard it. I knew immediately that I'd be saving it for the end, and it would have gotten a no-hesitation 10/10 from me.
And finally (for this post at least, there should be at least one more), my own submissions.

1: SoggatariaDuätschmatschInc. - Ukrainian Folk for 'A Soul as Red as a Ground Cherry'
What a mouthful.

This is one of the most unusual styles I've ever come across. That being said, I confess that I don't like it very much; it lacks any sense of progression or balance, leaving it sounding (though, surprisingly, not feeling) chaotic. I expected it wouldn't be very well appreciated here either, and part of me wondered what kind of response it would get based upon that. Then I found out I might host a tournament, and figured that would be the perfect opportunity to slip it in. I was actually surprised it wasn't rated lower, and Jssf's review was unexpectedly fascinating to me. Though I initially considered it as low as a 2 or 3, after hearing from the rest of you I believe I've come to appreciate it a bit more. Therefore, 5/10.

2: Melodic Taste - Oriental Heaven of Scarlet Perception
Touhou Project x Monster Hunter

I originally found this just around the time Busker first mentioned Monster Hunter in Musical Discoveries, and thus before I'd ever actually heard any music from Monster Hunter. I later re-discovered it I'd done the Other Game Music feature and Busker expounded upon it, appreciated it better, and thought I'd save it for when Rise released. Then I forgot, and decided to wait till busker made good on his Rise feature. When that happened, I realized we were close to another tournament, and by that time I was more familiar with Monster Hunter music and far more impressed by this piece as a result. I'm very glad I held onto it, since it balanced out well against the other prevalent styles in this tournament. I didn't expect it to rate so high, though. The intro seems to me a bit off balance from the rest of the piece, and the whole thing somehow feels too short despite being a reasonable four-and-a-half minutes. Regardless, it's a superb stylistic arrangement, and I wish I could find more like it. 9/10 (8.7ish in decimals, but I'm still not sure about that).

3: logical emotion - Lullaby of Deserted Hell
The great equalizer.

I've wanted for some time to get Logical Emotion into a tournament, but for a while I hadn't decided on a specific piece. The charm to me was the masterful performance of a few instruments, rather than creativity in the arrangement itself. However, I still wanted something that sounded like an arrangement, rather than a cover. There were several tracks I deemed too elaborate or too basic to fit my needs, and I eventually settled on this one fitting close enough between the two to satisfy. In hindsight, I might have rather chosen a piece with a contradictory source, as in something originally faster and/or louder. However, I still very much like this piece for not simply retaining but also amplifying the mood of the original. 8/10.
I shall return to provide further commentary one last time.

 
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I might even go so far as to present (though not outright encourage) the possibility of submitting pieces we don't necessarily like ourselves but consider worth discussion, even though such submission might bring down a tournament's average ratings.
It's an interesting thought, though, for myself, I just like the organ.  It started with wanting to share Joshscorcher's arrange/remix of UN Owen, then just decided to find more organ.  I am kind of sad that every time I've done the "I'll make all my picks themed in some way" I seem to be the only one that likes, though, so maybe I should stop doing that.

 
Miscellaneous responses and clarifications time!

why do i feel ken arranging the music ascending


wow this tourney got really good all of a sudden right at the end! Ken, did you order these?
Short answer: yes, but not entirely on purpose.

As I received each batch of submissions, I compiled them into a private Youtube playlist. Once they were all in, I experimented with order and round arrangement. Ultimately, it was a half-hazard process, but there were a few goals I had in mind. Firstly, I determined to select the opening round and closing feature; the first round serves as the foundation of the tournament, and the ending will influence its retrospective appeal. Beyond that, I confess to a limited degree of "ascending arrangement," in as much as I focused on getting a higher concentration of low-energy pieces toward the front and saving some of the more progression-heavy high-energy pieces for the back. Just as a musical arrangement ideally increases in energy over its duration, I figured the tournament itself would benefit from this consideration. However, I wanted to avoid a round of all low- or high-energy pieces for the most part, so as to create a contrast that would keep each round interesting on its own (I considered the organ solos and the Faith is for the Transient People to be low-energy pieces for their lack of progression). Attempting anything beyond that in terms of "ascension" carried a degree of inherent risk, since such intentions would likely be influenced by my own preferences (and thus subjective); while actively deciding upon the order of presentation, I did not consciously apply any such strategy. That being said, I've noticed in hindsight an unintentional consistency, in as much that each individual participant's submissions were featured in the tournament in what I would consider an ascending order, with the exception of Jerome's. I was not aware of this bias at the time, and cannot be sure it isn't a coincidence, but I like how it turned out nonetheless.

I like organ, but I guess I shouldn't
I am kind of sad that every time I've done the "I'll make all my picks themed in some way" I seem to be the only one that likes, though, so maybe I should stop doing that.
Did you see my most recent post in Musical Discoveries? I went looking for organ solos because of what you shared, and I very much appreciated the instigation. I don't think thematic submissions are a bad idea, but they should showcase different aspects of that theme to provide perspective. As stated earlier, the primary goal of the tournament as a concept is to discover new things in the realm of Touhou music, and more variety in submissions can help facilitate that. However, I believe that variety can be achieved within a conceived theme, depending on the situation.

i have paranoia that he trying to mislead me
I try to avoid directly misleading or deceiving, intentional or otherwise.

?‍♂️ How did I not notice that?

 
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Since it is currently not predetermined, should we decide who will host the next tournament?

Side note: Why can't I delete my own posts anymore? I decided I wanted to add this note on the end of the previous post rather than devote an entire post to it, but I can no longer dispose of this one.

Edit: Almost forgot to mention, Jerome estimates he should be back by the end of next May.

 
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As I received each batch of submissions, I compiled them into a private Youtube playlist. Once they were all in, I experimented with order and round arrangement. Ultimately, it was a half-hazard process, but there were a few goals I had in mind. Firstly, I determined to select the opening round and closing feature; the first round serves as the foundation of the tournament, and the ending will influence its retrospective appeal. Beyond that, I confess to a limited degree of "ascending arrangement," in as much as I focused on getting a higher concentration of low-energy pieces toward the front and saving some of the more progression-heavy high-energy pieces for the back. Just as a musical arrangement ideally increases in energy over its duration, I figured the tournament itself would benefit from this consideration. However, I wanted to avoid a round of all low- or high-energy pieces for the most part, so as to create a contrast that would keep each round interesting on its own (I considered the organ solos and the Faith is for the Transient People to be low-energy pieces for their lack of progression). Attempting anything beyond that in terms of "ascension" carried a degree of inherent risk, since such intentions would likely be influenced by my own preferences (and thus subjective); while actively deciding upon the order of presentation, I did not consciously apply any such strategy. That being said, I've noticed in hindsight an unintentional consistency, in as much that each individual participant's submissions were featured in the tournament in what I would consider an ascending order, with the exception of Jerome's. I was not aware of this bias at the time, and cannot be sure it isn't a coincidence, but I like how it turned out nonetheless.
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Since it is currently not predetermined, should we decide who will host the next tournament?
might as well set the date
though im not very certain we got enough people

hmm yeah, gonna take a while until the next tourney
we hafta recruit someone to continue anyway

oi Dana, aint there's like one person in your server who comment on every youtube video
*wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*


maybe i should comment more in Musical Discoveries
i really dunno what to say though

Why can't I delete my own posts anymore? I decided I wanted to add this note on the end of the previous post rather than devote an entire post to it, but I can no longer dispose of this one.
yeah you cant delete message after certain amount of time passed
for security options and behavioral control and something like that

actually better if you to post new one since i believe no one here check the topic front page, no more

 
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