Well, the fact he's being open and honest about it should be commended. In my personal opinion, if he's using it as a tool of 'brainstorming' so to speak, then I don't see anything that wrong with it. But if hes just using it to slap on a background and move on, I see that as a problem.
the other ones that people complain about are harder to notice ingame than when people just post the picture of them where you can see it's ai, but the ones on stage 3 actually look really dumb I hope he replaces those ones in the full version of the game
the other ones that people complain about are harder to notice ingame than when people just post the picture of them where you can see it's ai, but the ones on stage 3 actually look really dumb I hope he replaces those ones in the full version of the game
just search up a gameplay footage of it on youtube and skip to stage 3 and you'll see what I mean, I'm specifically talking about the mossy stones texture and the texture on the pyramid
If this is what you're talking about, it doesn't seem like it's obliviously AI. I'd have no idea unless I was told...matter of fact, has it been confirmed or is it just a rumour?
just search up a gameplay footage of it on youtube and skip to stage 3 and you'll see what I mean, I'm specifically talking about the mossy stones texture and the texture on the pyramid
If this is what you're talking about, it doesn't seem like it's obliviously AI. I'd have no idea unless I was told...matter of fact, has it been confirmed or is it just a rumour? View attachment 9722
i guess my brain got primed by seeing the pictures in isolation first in the posts where they are talking about it being ai, when you extract just the picture from the game files you can instantly tell it was made by ai though just by the general look of it so I wouldn't call it "just a rumor"
i guess my brain got primed by seeing the pictures in isolation first in the posts where they are talking about it being ai, when you extract just the picture from the game files you can instantly tell it was made by ai though just by the general look of it so I wouldn't call it "just a rumor"
Idk if I'm just blind to this, but I'm still struggling to see the AI involvement. With the exception of the first and last image.
I wish I knew more details though, on what exactly went into making these.
the soft-angular jankness of ai illustrations works pretty well for touhou's odd visual style, tbh. probably one of the first decent uses of genAI i've seen; helps that ZUN transforms them about as much as he usually does for stock photos. he hasn't lost his sense of composition, which is what AI illustration usually sucks ass at.
the soft-angular jankness of ai illustrations works pretty well for touhou's odd visual style, tbh. probably one of the first decent uses of genAI i've seen; helps that ZUN transforms them about as much as he usually does for stock photos. he hasn't lost his sense of composition, which is what AI illustration usually sucks ass at.
I don't know about the assets themselves, but he doesn't just slap them in as static images or whatever. He has never done that for the stock images he uses either, which touhou backgrounds are usually composed of. He's really just generating textures that get arranged and filterered in various weird ways in game. Like I don't the 3d pyramid was not itself ai generated, just the texture. He still chose to have the camera zooming all around. And that weird looking night sky image; you can only see a corner tip of it in the second stage and it looks pretty neat there. And that star one is hardly recognizably in game since it has some crazy filtering work done to it.
I don't know about the assets themselves, but he doesn't just slap them in as static images or whatever. He has never done that for the stock images he uses either, which touhou backgrounds are usually composed of. He's really just generating textures that get arranged and filterered in various weird ways in game. Like I don't the 3d pyramid was not itself ai generated, just the texture. He still chose to have the camera zooming all around. And that weird looking night sky image; you can only see a corner tip of it in the second stage and it looks pretty neat there. And that star one is hardly recognizably in game since it has some crazy filtering work done to it.
The only thing I'm disappointed about is to hear some stock photographer (or whatever medium) is loosing out...such is the way of AI I get thay, but it would be nice if ZUN had gone 50% AI
I would like to say some words about this topic. I just wanted to briefly summarize the information about this topic.
I suspected that ZUN was using AI since the first suspicious backgrounds were extracted and I have been observing what was happening in Western and Japanese Twitter.
I think you know the situation in the West. The attitude towards AI in Japan is different from the West. For now, in Japanese Touhou community there are three main points of view on this topic: "supporters" (pro-AI/don't care much about AI), "moderate" anti-AI (against AI, and may not like the fact that ZUN uses it; but using it only for backgrounds is acceptable) and "hardline" anti-AI (against AI and hate the fact that ZUN uses it). It is hard to say the actual size of each group, but since the beginning "supporters" were the most vocal, recently "hardline" anti-AI tried to be vocal (but they just mostly showed that? yes, they exist; but anyway they gathered some attention).
About ZUN's opinion on AI it is much more complicated than just "that radio broadcast in December". He already had some interesting views about AI around WBaWC release in SCoOW. There were some other later statements about AI like "things that can already be made by AI can be left to AI" and "it would be better if AI spreads" in 2023 + he already insinuated that AI reduces the amount of work required around UDoALG release; but at the same time he said that value of things made by humans themselves would increase.
About AI and Doujin. First of all, takes about copyrights wouldn't be taken seriously. Next, AI is already allowed (with or without limitations) on many Doujin events (including Comiket and Reitaisai (and I wrote about that several months ago)). The question "what is a doujin thing and what is not" is difficult. There are many things which are normal in Doujin now and which were no-no many years ago. The Doujin scene hasn't fully decided yet if AI is acceptable or not, there are different opinions on this topic (for example there are people who want to ban AI on Comiket).
What actually disappointed me is how Westerners reacted (I am not talking about the point of view but the reaction itself). I understand why many Westerners are against AI. But it looks like they don't learn from their mistakes. You should know that Japanese fans would protect ZUN. But I don't understand why many Western anti-AI decided to directly confront ZUN. The reaction of Japanese fans is obvious in this situation. Maybe it is a better idea to change tactics? Being overemotional won't help.
There is a thing about ZUN using AI about which even many Japanese "supporters" would agree that it is a bad thing. The problem is that many Westerners don't care much about that and not fully understand it. I think I gave enough hints.
I will put my 2 cents here so that this discussion can hopefully end. Otherwise, it's getting out of hand.
If in release, this game's usage of AI is more egregious like some of you claim to be, like even the characters were AI generated. Then it's alright to point this out, show screenshots of this instance, have proof that this game is filled with AI-generated content.
Criticism is important to improve a project after all (and yes, vanyk, anyone will call this out regardless of nation, whatever ZUN supporters or AIbros like it or not, stop pretending that it's only a "western" issue when in reality it's not as different as you think it is, especially when in China there's already a discourse about it).
And you have the right to be worried about this, just don't go out of the way to over-exaggerate it, make it worse and embarrassing than already is. You can criticize ZUN over the usage of AI, just DON'T HARASS him and anyone involved over this. You can defend the guy over the usage of AI, just DON'T HARASS anyone who criticize him over this. If you want a debate then go for it, even make it more vulgar, but don't make it as some kind of a war zone, keep it civil.
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