buskerdog
Onshi
This is the sort of method I have often thought of for measuring time in Gensokyo, never bothered to actually calculate any of it, though.
How does aging and ages work like in Touhou?
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CountVonNumenor
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Very much. And here comes the gratuitious connection to my recent thread on fanservice, as this "Schrödinger's box" sort of situation is addressed in there too.
Tayaya
Onshi
Yea I can't find what season TD is but if Reimu is 13 at the very start of the series then using this method she would be 21 at the end of UM and I assume it's around the same for Marisa so they are all "Legal" then lol
buskerdog
Onshi
CountVonNumenor
Onshi
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So, from what I managed to understand reading that document: Reimu and Marisa are theoretically in their late 20s. However, even if time progresses in Gensokyo and the year is the same as in the outside world, they live in a Simpsons style time bubble. Also for some reason, both of them stopped growing/maturing physically, while other characters like Akyuu actually developed in time (that comparison between her first appearance in Perfect Memento and how she looks like in Forbidden Scrollery).
I will keep it on Akyuu right now, simply because I like her. In a way, official art has helped, but there are also moments when it becomes as much of a mess as your average ZUN drawing:
From Perfect Memento in Strict Sense (2006)
From Memorizable Gensokyo (2006) - just like in PMiSS makes sense, she she was a bit over 10 at the time
Akyuu's Untouched Score vol 1 (also 2006) - ZUN art moment
From Forbidden Scrollery (bottom image comes from Volume 4, so the year 2015) - we have a time skip of 10 years since PMiSS; in the first two images, it looks like she grew up quite a bit. However, the Volume 4 cover image seems to blow that all out the window, going back to classic 14-16 year old anime girl appearance (might be due to the art-style chosen)
Akyuu as depicted in Who's Who of Human & Youkai - Everlasting Edition (2020) - this one seems to be sticking a little more to the Volume 4 design idea, as she looks a bit young for the supposed age of 26 at the time this book was published. It is still a very nice piece of art though, I cannot deny that.
In conclusion: things are not clear. Every artist who drew for the official printed materials seems to have gone for a different style, and from there comes a bit of inconsistency.
I will keep it on Akyuu right now, simply because I like her. In a way, official art has helped, but there are also moments when it becomes as much of a mess as your average ZUN drawing:
From Perfect Memento in Strict Sense (2006)
From Memorizable Gensokyo (2006) - just like in PMiSS makes sense, she she was a bit over 10 at the time
Akyuu's Untouched Score vol 1 (also 2006) - ZUN art moment
From Forbidden Scrollery (bottom image comes from Volume 4, so the year 2015) - we have a time skip of 10 years since PMiSS; in the first two images, it looks like she grew up quite a bit. However, the Volume 4 cover image seems to blow that all out the window, going back to classic 14-16 year old anime girl appearance (might be due to the art-style chosen)
Akyuu as depicted in Who's Who of Human & Youkai - Everlasting Edition (2020) - this one seems to be sticking a little more to the Volume 4 design idea, as she looks a bit young for the supposed age of 26 at the time this book was published. It is still a very nice piece of art though, I cannot deny that.
In conclusion: things are not clear. Every artist who drew for the official printed materials seems to have gone for a different style, and from there comes a bit of inconsistency.
Gou the frog
Onshi
Round three, to tie this mess I've created. This's going to be so wild since almost everyone mentioned here are all missing cannon to load to a ageless ship.
Meet the DDC
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Here comes the Tsunami
Wakasagihime: She does not have a canon age. (running a bit out of canon jokes). The first recorded mermaid sightings in Japan are found in the Nihon Shoki one of the oldest books of classical Japanese history, dating back to 619 CE. If we're using that she's already 1403 years old. (I want to bring up the tale of Yao Bikuni but the moment is not right as of now)
Sekibanki: She should've bought a canon scarf to hold her head and to blend in with the villagers. 2 in one: rokurokubi and nukekubi which is from edo. (1600-1868) Guess what she's going to join the couple hundreds year group.
Kagerou: Why? Their species are now canonically gone extinct in 1732 which is once again Edo period. The last specimen was officially killed in 1905 in Nara Prefecture on Honshu Island, Japan. So, I'll assume she is alive and well before 1732, making her over 290-422 years old.
Seija: I have no idea about this one I mean she flipped nonac. Wild guess, but most likely centuries old but younger than an oni. Your average oni has a life span of six japanese eras. 2000 might be acceptable.
Sukuna: It is said that an inchling was part of creating the Japanese Islands along with Ōnamuji. Yeah, she is missing out a canon needle. She maybe a millennium or a house wife years old.
Raiko: If we're counting the old canon drum, she'd be crossing the centuries or half of century and would become as old as Patchouli. If not, I don't either, What if that doesn't count? Well, give her the decade pass.
Benben and Yatsuhashi: New yokais at the time of DDC and Ben10 is older than Yuto Yatasuhashi although they aren't blood related just became sentient at the same time. Same signature as Raiko decade or 5 decade. Your move.
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LoL LoLK LoL
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Someone shoot down the suns and the canonballs are lost in the process.
Seiren & Ringo: If we're talking about war, there're two of 'em: Genso-Lunar War which was one thousand years ago and Lunar War which I think is only a few decades ago. I'll bet on the second war making them as old as Reisen or perhaps younger. Those two I think roughly have 2-4 age gap.
Doremy not so sweet: She is abaka baku whom originates in Chinese folklore and was familiar in Japan as early as the Muromachi period (14th-15th century). If I have take this as reference, she would be over 600.
Sagume: She may be based in part on Ame-no-Sagume, an earthly Shinto goddess that “instigated” heavenly messenger Ame-no-Wakahiko into rebelling. Did I go too deep eh? She would be on par with Suwako and Eirin.
Clownpiece: A hell fairy and a lampad? Take this century pass and welcome to the playground of "Canonball Carnival". (Don't forget fairy are also as old as the nature)
Junko: How many sources have I searched upon? Hou Yi became the leader of the Xia Dynasty, he later caused the death of her son, Bó Fēng meaning Junko was alive during the Xia Dynasty and possibly before. Finally, the prediction will be accurate once more since the Xia Dynasty was 2070-1600 BCE thus, making her 4000 years old mama.
Hectia: Based on a greek figure, Now back to Hou Yi (also known as Shen Y), he shot down the Nine Sunbirds. Because of this occurrence, Apollo was shot down, darkening the hells Hecatia was overseeing. This points to one thing, she was alive during the Xia Dynasty and even before like Junko making her over 4000 years old.
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HSiFS the no canon age for you
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My tooth hurt when writing this.
Eternity Larva: No canon cold for you.My Okina speculation suggests that Eternity may have been inspired by the story of the Tokoyo god. If you this according to Nihon Shoki (The Chronicles of Japan) she would be set in the 7th century making her the same caliber as our contestants above.
Nemuno: A yamanaba, now this might be cannoning, I'll put her in the centuries group.
Aunn: Statue of guardian dog: Goryeo (an ancient Korean dynasty). So, you want to go back a millennium to the past?
Narumi: She is based on the hatted Jizo statue, too many number to count from. If we're talking about her recently after the incident, she decades old.
Mai and Satono: Okina does replace the old dancers with the new one every once in a while. Decades or centuries?
Okina: Older than Gensokyo itself and so she joins with Yukari.
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Manga Characters
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I'm getting more tired.
The Three faries: Lunar, Sunny, Star: I give them the verdict of being younger than Cirno.
Reisen 2: Younger than the moon rabbits in my eyes.
Rinnosuke: Un-known but he's a few decades old.
Watatsukis: Toyo & Yoro: Both of them are at least 1500 years old.
Kasen: Joins Okina and Yukarifor smash. Yeah, older than Gensokyo.
Kosuzu: Younger than Marisa/Reimu/Akkyu. She might be starting her adulthood soon ~17-19.
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CD Characters that found the cannon fuse
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Whew, no more cannon balls for now.
Maribel: around Sanae age.
Renko: Yeah, her too.
Akyuu: 27 right now. (stated by Von above) 1,200 with past lives included.
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Spinoff Characters likes to spin with Hina
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Five waves of storms flushing out the cannonball.
Iku: The messenger herself (Oarfish). She's missing a canon report to the Dragon Palace. Tons of thousands of years old maybe over than that.
Tenshi: Aren't Celestials supposed to have a very very long life span. I've lost the canon count right of now. 5-7 digits, give or take.
Hatate: I'll place my bet, she's younger than Aya.
Yorigami sisters: Joon & Shinon: If we track down the gods, they might be around at the start of the canon land. 4 damm digits or even higher. Joon is younger than Shinon of course.
Suika: let's put her right next to Yuugi and make her a bit older maybe?
KoKoro: I've been losing the cannonballs a lot. Wait, she has one and it's called over 1300 years old.
Sumireko: She's 15-16 as of Urban Legend in Limbo. She is most likely in 19-20 right now.
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Dispencer down!! Pardner, Gou don't think it can go on any longer for tonight, after looking back and forth from the wikis.
I promised ya: I'll covered the last two games including one of my favourite "yuuma toutetsu". For now I'm out of breath and going have a long comfortable sleep. Don't mind me, the enginner is the enginsleeper.
Meet the DDC
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Here comes the Tsunami
Wakasagihime: She does not have a canon age. (running a bit out of canon jokes). The first recorded mermaid sightings in Japan are found in the Nihon Shoki one of the oldest books of classical Japanese history, dating back to 619 CE. If we're using that she's already 1403 years old. (I want to bring up the tale of Yao Bikuni but the moment is not right as of now)
Sekibanki: She should've bought a canon scarf to hold her head and to blend in with the villagers. 2 in one: rokurokubi and nukekubi which is from edo. (1600-1868) Guess what she's going to join the couple hundreds year group.
Kagerou: Why? Their species are now canonically gone extinct in 1732 which is once again Edo period. The last specimen was officially killed in 1905 in Nara Prefecture on Honshu Island, Japan. So, I'll assume she is alive and well before 1732, making her over 290-422 years old.
Seija: I have no idea about this one I mean she flipped nonac. Wild guess, but most likely centuries old but younger than an oni. Your average oni has a life span of six japanese eras. 2000 might be acceptable.
Sukuna: It is said that an inchling was part of creating the Japanese Islands along with Ōnamuji. Yeah, she is missing out a canon needle. She maybe a millennium or a house wife years old.
Raiko: If we're counting the old canon drum, she'd be crossing the centuries or half of century and would become as old as Patchouli. If not, I don't either, What if that doesn't count? Well, give her the decade pass.
Benben and Yatsuhashi: New yokais at the time of DDC and Ben
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LoL LoLK LoL
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Someone shoot down the suns and the canonballs are lost in the process.
Seiren & Ringo: If we're talking about war, there're two of 'em: Genso-Lunar War which was one thousand years ago and Lunar War which I think is only a few decades ago. I'll bet on the second war making them as old as Reisen or perhaps younger. Those two I think roughly have 2-4 age gap.
Doremy not so sweet: She is a
Sagume: She may be based in part on Ame-no-Sagume, an earthly Shinto goddess that “instigated” heavenly messenger Ame-no-Wakahiko into rebelling. Did I go too deep eh? She would be on par with Suwako and Eirin.
Clownpiece: A hell fairy and a lampad? Take this century pass and welcome to the playground of "Canonball Carnival". (Don't forget fairy are also as old as the nature)
Junko: How many sources have I searched upon? Hou Yi became the leader of the Xia Dynasty, he later caused the death of her son, Bó Fēng meaning Junko was alive during the Xia Dynasty and possibly before. Finally, the prediction will be accurate once more since the Xia Dynasty was 2070-1600 BCE thus, making her 4000 years old mama.
Hectia: Based on a greek figure, Now back to Hou Yi (also known as Shen Y), he shot down the Nine Sunbirds. Because of this occurrence, Apollo was shot down, darkening the hells Hecatia was overseeing. This points to one thing, she was alive during the Xia Dynasty and even before like Junko making her over 4000 years old.
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HSiFS the no canon age for you
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My tooth hurt when writing this.
Eternity Larva: No canon cold for you.
Nemuno: A yamanaba, now this might be cannoning, I'll put her in the centuries group.
Aunn: Statue of guardian dog: Goryeo (an ancient Korean dynasty). So, you want to go back a millennium to the past?
Narumi: She is based on the hatted Jizo statue, too many number to count from. If we're talking about her recently after the incident, she decades old.
Mai and Satono: Okina does replace the old dancers with the new one every once in a while. Decades or centuries?
Okina: Older than Gensokyo itself and so she joins with Yukari.
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Manga Characters
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I'm getting more tired.
The Three faries: Lunar, Sunny, Star: I give them the verdict of being younger than Cirno.
Reisen 2: Younger than the moon rabbits in my eyes.
Rinnosuke: Un-known but he's a few decades old.
Watatsukis: Toyo & Yoro: Both of them are at least 1500 years old.
Kasen: Joins Okina and Yukari
Kosuzu: Younger than Marisa/Reimu/Akkyu. She might be starting her adulthood soon ~17-19.
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CD Characters that found the cannon fuse
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Whew, no more cannon balls for now.
Maribel: around Sanae age.
Renko: Yeah, her too.
Akyuu: 27 right now. (stated by Von above) 1,200 with past lives included.
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Spinoff Characters likes to spin with Hina
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Five waves of storms flushing out the cannonball.
Iku: The messenger herself (Oarfish). She's missing a canon report to the Dragon Palace. Tons of thousands of years old maybe over than that.
Tenshi: Aren't Celestials supposed to have a very very long life span. I've lost the canon count right of now. 5-7 digits, give or take.
Hatate: I'll place my bet, she's younger than Aya.
Yorigami sisters: Joon & Shinon: If we track down the gods, they might be around at the start of the canon land. 4 damm digits or even higher. Joon is younger than Shinon of course.
Suika: let's put her right next to Yuugi and make her a bit older maybe?
KoKoro: I've been losing the cannonballs a lot. Wait, she has one and it's called over 1300 years old.
Sumireko: She's 15-16 as of Urban Legend in Limbo. She is most likely in 19-20 right now.
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Dispencer down!! Pardner, Gou don't think it can go on any longer for tonight, after looking back and forth from the wikis.
I promised ya: I'll covered the last two games including one of my favourite "yuuma toutetsu". For now I'm out of breath and going have a long comfortable sleep. Don't mind me, the enginner is the enginsleeper.
CountVonNumenor
Onshi
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- #27
On a similar model to the Akyuu post from yesterday, I am bringing another charter I have done long ago. I made it in order to keep count with the depictions of Youmu in official material, and now that I mentioned different artist and inconsistency, I think it would fit perfectly.
In this case, an evolution is not really visible, and Youmu seems to be remaining the same age (with some hiccups that make her younger), and the fact there are quite different styles and artistic liberties does not help proving any thesis whether characters grow up or not.
In this case, an evolution is not really visible, and Youmu seems to be remaining the same age (with some hiccups that make her younger), and the fact there are quite different styles and artistic liberties does not help proving any thesis whether characters grow up or not.
Gou the frog
Onshi
I believe you’re now tried of my canon jokes so, without beating around the bush, I’ll be closing the gap between the 17, 17.5 and 18. (Oh ho ho, PC-98 is going to come to the table but It will take time.) Without further ado:
Touhou 17 - Wily Beast and Weakest Creature
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Eika Ebisu: She is a spirit of stillborn. (Roughly 24 weeks) and her name is maybe related to one of the 7 fortune gods of Japan. But not much is known about her; if we calculated her years in hell which will be translated to many thousands of years in human world although she is not here in Sanzu river long as she has only lived a few years as her soul wouldn’t be that old yet. So, I’ll say century with 24 weeks added to it.
Urumi Ushizaki: An Ushi-oni whom likes to tend to the ancient fish of Sanzu, as of now, Edo Period only comes into my mind (There’s a folklore based on the San’in Region which is her origin but I don’t think it’s the time for it yet, hey Von I don’t mind if you create a folklore thread)
Kutaka Niwatari: God have existed long ago and being a gatekeeper in hell must make you pretty old hmm… you know the drill.
Yachie Kicchou: Another Yakuza boss… alright now, chinese dragon-turtle who is millennials old.
Mayumi Joutouguu: A clay figure who has won over my feelings as the haniwa warrior she goes back to Kofun Period 300 to 538 AD add a bit more clay life and that’s done.
Keiki Haniyasushin: Haniyasu-hiko can stand with the lunar sage as she is linked with Goddess Izanami.
Saki Kurokoma: Prince Shoutoku’s (Miko) horse and earlier than 547 AD. (Why I need more info on her)
Touhou Gouyoku Ibun
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Yuuma Toutetsu: One of the four evil creatures of China. (Mainly origins as I’m quite lost) millennials old as they’re often represented in Shang (1766-1046 BCE) and Zhou dynasties (1046–256 BCE).
Unconnected Marketeers
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Mike Goutokuji: Lucky cat…. Well no lucky me since I don’t know if she works like the bake-neko if not probably decades old.
Takane Yamashiro: Yamawaro another kappa’ cousin this time she is younger than Nitori, I just have a hunch (Younger than most yokais)
Sannyo Komakusa: Another purple head, alright off you go with Nemeno. (On my eyes, She seems older than her)
Misumaru Tamatsukuri: Her origin stated that she (he) is an ancient jewel maker; also the setting is perfect. (It’s a shame she will get buried even as we’re talking)
Tsukasa Kudamaki: I only see one tail.
Megumu Iizunamaru: Cunning like a bird riding a for and She is older than that fox and the news reporting pigeon bird.
Chimata Tenkyuu: Another special god whom belief were lost by us. One of the vivid ones that is still colorful even in millennials.
Momoyo Himemushi: I’ve heard of this folklore, it’s very good and Fujiwara no Hidesato slaying a ginat-centipede? That goes back to Heain period. (794-1185)
At long last, my bull filling half-a-ed post has been done and with that, this has deviated from the original title of this thread; my apologies for this shabby as a hut post about age. And with my promise to a fellow enthusiast has been paid back. How do I feel after completing this one? Mildly joyful. Two days seems like along time for me and pardon for that and a bit of a let down.
(Pc-98 and other spinoff characters are going to be a hassle)
Touhou 17 - Wily Beast and Weakest Creature
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Eika Ebisu: She is a spirit of stillborn. (Roughly 24 weeks) and her name is maybe related to one of the 7 fortune gods of Japan. But not much is known about her; if we calculated her years in hell which will be translated to many thousands of years in human world although she is not here in Sanzu river long as she has only lived a few years as her soul wouldn’t be that old yet. So, I’ll say century with 24 weeks added to it.
Urumi Ushizaki: An Ushi-oni whom likes to tend to the ancient fish of Sanzu, as of now, Edo Period only comes into my mind (There’s a folklore based on the San’in Region which is her origin but I don’t think it’s the time for it yet, hey Von I don’t mind if you create a folklore thread)
Kutaka Niwatari: God have existed long ago and being a gatekeeper in hell must make you pretty old hmm… you know the drill.
Yachie Kicchou: Another Yakuza boss… alright now, chinese dragon-turtle who is millennials old.
Mayumi Joutouguu: A clay figure who has won over my feelings as the haniwa warrior she goes back to Kofun Period 300 to 538 AD add a bit more clay life and that’s done.
Keiki Haniyasushin: Haniyasu-hiko can stand with the lunar sage as she is linked with Goddess Izanami.
Saki Kurokoma: Prince Shoutoku’s (Miko) horse and earlier than 547 AD. (Why I need more info on her)
Touhou Gouyoku Ibun
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Yuuma Toutetsu: One of the four evil creatures of China. (Mainly origins as I’m quite lost) millennials old as they’re often represented in Shang (1766-1046 BCE) and Zhou dynasties (1046–256 BCE).
Unconnected Marketeers
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Mike Goutokuji: Lucky cat…. Well no lucky me since I don’t know if she works like the bake-neko if not probably decades old.
Takane Yamashiro: Yamawaro another kappa’ cousin this time she is younger than Nitori, I just have a hunch (Younger than most yokais)
Sannyo Komakusa: Another purple head, alright off you go with Nemeno. (On my eyes, She seems older than her)
Misumaru Tamatsukuri: Her origin stated that she (he) is an ancient jewel maker; also the setting is perfect. (It’s a shame she will get buried even as we’re talking)
Tsukasa Kudamaki: I only see one tail.
Megumu Iizunamaru: Cunning like a bird riding a for and She is older than that fox and the news reporting pigeon bird.
Chimata Tenkyuu: Another special god whom belief were lost by us. One of the vivid ones that is still colorful even in millennials.
Momoyo Himemushi: I’ve heard of this folklore, it’s very good and Fujiwara no Hidesato slaying a ginat-centipede? That goes back to Heain period. (794-1185)
At long last, my bull filling half-a-ed post has been done and with that, this has deviated from the original title of this thread; my apologies for this shabby as a hut post about age. And with my promise to a fellow enthusiast has been paid back. How do I feel after completing this one? Mildly joyful. Two days seems like along time for me and pardon for that and a bit of a let down.
(Pc-98 and other spinoff characters are going to be a hassle)
Darksymphony777
Onshi
honestly the only characters i can think of that has a actual explanation to looking young is tewi and mamizou.
here me out; what are two things we know about tewi:
1: she's the inaba white rabbit
2: she like to play pranks
in my mind, tewi looks young in order to better hide from humans so she can do her pranks more often, after all a innocent looking child is going not be noticeable to people who got pranked and are inconvenienced while getting laughed at
as for mami, simple she's old, she knows it and looks young because she don't want to be reminded of her old age
here me out; what are two things we know about tewi:
1: she's the inaba white rabbit
2: she like to play pranks
in my mind, tewi looks young in order to better hide from humans so she can do her pranks more often, after all a innocent looking child is going not be noticeable to people who got pranked and are inconvenienced while getting laughed at
as for mami, simple she's old, she knows it and looks young because she don't want to be reminded of her old age
CountVonNumenor
Onshi
- Thread starter
- #30
Nice to see this series coming back with more age guess-timations. There is one thing I wonder about Mayumi though. I know Haniwa clay figures come from the Kofun period. However, are we sure Mayumi was created back then, or she is a more recent creation of lady Keiki? Also, since she is supposed to a an army commander, therefore a smart/cunning, strong, imposing and charismatic figure (at least that is how I would imagine an army commander of the ancient/medieval world), wouldn't Mayumi be modelled after a more mature female figure? It would be strange if your army was led by some 14 year old looking girl. besides, i wonder if a Haniwa can even age, or aging comes more from how old the statue itself is...
I did not known China also has this element of the four evil creatures. I first heard it from the Japanese folklore (though I forgot who the characters were), but I can imagine the idea could have been taken from China during early history (just like other cultural elements).
I mean yeah, for those two it makes quite a lot of sense. For anyone else (mostly), not really honestly. And this goes back to the rather poor artistic interpretation in official material, only perpetuated by the rest of the official artists an in turn by the fans. I mean I did not show the chart of Youmu representation in official art for nothing. She seems to become younger/lolified with each artist as time goes by, especially in the non-ZUN art.
As a side note: I did that chart when Youmu was still my #1 on the list of favorites. I might create a new one for Akyuu too. To see if it is just as bad/inconsistent/unclear if she looks the supposed age or she doesn't (especially since she's the only 2hu that has actually grown through time, at least in theory).
Gou the frog
Onshi
Well, my guess might be off but I love your idea about being created recently but if so, Lady Keiki had been fending off those noisy beasts sprits by herself and the garden so I will give another guess, she is younger than the Konfun period somewhere in between actually as I'm not so sure if Haniwa can even age. Very good point that you made, I'm interested in whether her age depends on the statue age or it is on the material's age.
Japan has three (An oni, a tengi and a kitsune) and China has four ( Hundun. Hundun, Taotie, Taowu and Qiongqi) Japan and China they are somewhat like pals back in the ancient times and Korean also have their own variant of Kitsune.
(Akyuu has the most consistent age in this series)
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CountVonNumenor
Onshi
- Thread starter
- #32
From what I can remember after watching Linfamy, the Japanese ones were, not in a particular order, Shuten-douji (aka the Oni that inspired the creation of Suika), Emperor Stoku (hope I got his name right; I think he became a sort of vengeful spirit or something), Tamamo no Mae (the kitsune), and I did not know there was a Tengu too.
We now do not really know for certain which one was created first: Mayumi or the Haniwa army itself. Because if it was the latter, and Mayumi would be much "newer", then the army lacked a commander for a while. But yeah, the whole story can be quite fun to think of.
As I promised. I said I will create a charter for Akyuu, and that is exactly what I did, damn it:
Still a rather visually obvious growth, yet still not enough to loo like the implied canon age of 27-28.
Nekoko
Onshi
First of all the design can help guessing the car of the character, like long dress are more likely to be worn by adult women rather than kids like, I can’t imagine Yukari as a 5 year old… the glove and all makes her design more suitable for a mature woman
Then, the way they speak or if they are mature or not, like Cirno, she’s quite immature so she can’t be an adult
After that there’s the influence of others perception of Touhou girls age as Alphes or the anime Memory of Phantasm
And finally, ZUN’s email where he states officially how old Touhou girls looks like, sadly, there’s only the EoSD and PCB characters :
Above 15 years old : Sakuya, Meiling, Yukari
Fairly "tall" (12 to 15 years old) : Reimu, Yuyuko, Alice, Letty, Ran
Fairly "short" (10 to 12 years old) : Marisa, Youmu, Patchouli, Lunasa, Merlin
Under 10 years old : Remilia, Lyrica, Chen, Cirno, Rumia, Flandre
Then, the way they speak or if they are mature or not, like Cirno, she’s quite immature so she can’t be an adult
After that there’s the influence of others perception of Touhou girls age as Alphes or the anime Memory of Phantasm
And finally, ZUN’s email where he states officially how old Touhou girls looks like, sadly, there’s only the EoSD and PCB characters :
Above 15 years old : Sakuya, Meiling, Yukari
Fairly "tall" (12 to 15 years old) : Reimu, Yuyuko, Alice, Letty, Ran
Fairly "short" (10 to 12 years old) : Marisa, Youmu, Patchouli, Lunasa, Merlin
Under 10 years old : Remilia, Lyrica, Chen, Cirno, Rumia, Flandre
OkuuFallout
Onshi
I both like and hate the whole Touhou aging debate. I hate it because there is a very simple and somewhat disappointing answer that ZUN himself has stated before, yet people still debate over it. But I like it because most people don't know what that answer is, yet I do. I prefer to watch the world burn than do anything about it though, so don't expect an answer out of me hehe.
Akyuu is an interesting outlier, though. It is nice how a human with a given birthdate is made to age with the series, although something might happen since this reincarnation's time is almost up. However, I would like to address another piece of media where certain characters age while others do not: The Simpsons. As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, Apu's children have grown while everyone else is pretty much the same. Just a comparison to something similar.
Akyuu is an interesting outlier, though. It is nice how a human with a given birthdate is made to age with the series, although something might happen since this reincarnation's time is almost up. However, I would like to address another piece of media where certain characters age while others do not: The Simpsons. As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, Apu's children have grown while everyone else is pretty much the same. Just a comparison to something similar.