MrRockwell
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>professional Dumbass
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Hate on fumos
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MrRockwell
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I know what fumos are; Even I does'nt started this thread If I did'nt know fumos.
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Ah sorry man, what what that question mark for then?
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Touhou fans will always have fake interest they literally disagree on what they preach a few messages ago
MrRockwell
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Retard I was agreeing with you, you're just proving my point further
MrRockwell
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Whether you agree or disagree, what you wrote isn't fake interest.
And who hellbaned at me?
And who hellbaned at me?
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True, I don't write that
You should already know that western touhou being a bunch of tourists isn't a crazy new thing. Tourists in shmups, tourists in their own series. Fumos are just the medium because they're the cute little moe plushies that people are fixated upon since a) People only know touhou from the fanon because that's what it is from the past decade and b) ZUN couldn't care less at giving out a quality product so he lets companies like Gift and GoodSmile step on him since he's the "Humble Doujinist" every artist likes...
So yeah fake interest, get new shit my nigga
YuyuFumo
Silly Ghost Princess
Guess OP does know about the Yuyuko fumo memes, filthy casual.
Kek, my side. Closer to the source material.
vanyk
Shrine Maiden
This can be said about any merchandise. But why do people change their wallpaper on PC or smartphone in a way it would associate with the things they like? Because they like it. Someone places something related to Minecraft, and there are people who place their favorite "anime" (I don't know a better word in English to name this) girl. Some people go further and change their cursors, OS sounds and other things. Merchandise has existed for a long time. It is possible to find fanmade Touhou figures from 00s and at around the same time commercial ones appeared too. People bought both of these because they wanted things that associated with series they liked to be around their place. The same happened with Fumos later (and with other Touhou plushes). For many people plushes are more convenient than figures: with plushes you can go anywhere and do nearly anything you want but you don't have to be afraid that they will break. That is why plushes are more popular.
(and to be honest, why do you have to buy such expensive ones when you can find the ones which cost 10-20 dollars, and from what I saw it is possible to find more rare unique fanmade ones in less than 40 dollars, but maybe the price heavily depends on region)
Oh, I see. With such attitude it would be impossible to get fanmade plushes of any character in different costume (or Cirno snail).
The funniest thing is that Walfas are around as old as Fumos and Gyate is little more younger thing (the comic appeared in 2011, but it became a meme only in 2013)
Again that is what can be said about any merchandise
That is depends on region (and that is why Google Trends is not representative because people from Japan and China use other search engines (Yahoo and Baidu)). In Japan it is complicated: many Touhou fans are young, but there are some old Touhou fans stay so the average age is 23-24. And the demographics is becoming younger, so not many people stay for a long time. In China the popularity seems to be decreasing, but at the same time a lot of fan creators stay, so there are a lot of fanworks. In the West more people heard Touhou now, but less people are really into it.
To be honest it was more complicated. You could find a forum (for example MotK) via Google, but after that "surfing the Net" began: forum had banners of other fan pages, they had links to other fanpages, etc. And you saved the links you liked and you didn't have to use Google to find them again.
No, things changed in 00s. A little reminder: Nico Nico Douga greatly helped Touhou at the start and during Touhou's Golden Age (2008/2009-2013). And later (since mid 10s) it became the reason why a lot of more younger people found out about Touhou (smartphones became more spread around that time)
Some people payed big attention to Fumos and Big Fumos (which were placed some stores) since 2009.
There were such people in the past as well.
As I said, it is more complicated.
laselle
Onshi
and your opinion is stupid and retarded, have you never received a gift or buy for yourself something important, even if its just for a meme or just to have it its from the series you like and thats what is important
the same shit as over, money since its just a number, its at representing the value of ll the manufacturing process plus margins of beneifts, but its ot good at representing the relative value the market gives it to a name... as if you manage to found a fumo at 30$ and this is the regular price generics souvenirs like this have, now you want to sell it to me, are you gonna be that retard and sell it at generic prices?? i dont think you have that level of illness, you will at least increase 10$ because even if you dont like them, you know they belong to a series, then i say, thats very good, and i want to resell it at 50$ and so on, till someone at the tail want to buy it at 100$ , best deal 99$ just for say... than that is the price of the name touhou on a souvenir like a fumo, the relative value is given by the market not by quality process or shis like that but what people thinks the name touhou values... now go back to your dumb money and eat your bananas, leave the people enjoy their fumos, even a girl with a cirno fumo at 8 years old might has more gris materia
Polo Rossi
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A lot of Japanese plushies I've seen at import stores hit the $20-$40 range, this was the same for Fumos. But after their skyrocketing in popularity, they're now being sold for Labubu pricing second hand since 2018 or so. It wasn't until stores like AmiAmi that started selling them for prices below $90 that the situation was somewhat mediated, and it took them a good few years to do something about it.
I remember looking up early listings for Fumos from the 2009-2014 range and their prices were far more in line with your average licensed plush toy ($19 - $29) than what it is now. How time and demand change things...
I remember looking up early listings for Fumos from the 2009-2014 range and their prices were far more in line with your average licensed plush toy ($19 - $29) than what it is now. How time and demand change things...
laselle
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from 40 to 60 seems to me a right price, i would not pay more than that for one, unless there are licenses and stuff of these that rises the prices, otherwise i would not
Polo Rossi
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Yeah, I'm pretty much alright with the current price range. I'm grateful for sites like AmiAmi that sell them for a somewhat affordable price. I think the most expensive Fumos for me were the Ran and the Jo'on I bought for a friend (I think I recall paying around $60 for each one).
With that being said, I think the average was around $40 to $50 that I paid for most of mine, honestly not a bad deal considering most things.
thewindcarriesmeaway
Onshi
theyre cute and i wanna own something from a franchise that brings me joy. case closed?!?!?
YuyuFumo
Silly Ghost Princess
Fumos really didn't get as expensive as they are now until after the pandemic. Even in 2018-2019 they were going for ~$25 per plush, which is super reasonable compared to most other licensed plushies. Unfortunately, it was also during that time that Fumo culture really took off due to Fumo Youtubers introducing non-fans to the little buggers; Now everyone and their mom, whether they know what a Touhou is or not, wants a fumo because it was in that funny YouTube video they saw. Gift has been ratcheting the price up by around 500 yen every year since 2020, and I don't really blame them for doing so since that's basic supply-and-demand economics.
Do I think that paying >$40 for a small plush (not including shipping and handling, which is another $35 where I live) is unreasonable? Yes.
Do I think that fumos are overrated and that the rabid fanbase is why the damn things are so expensive? Yes.
Do I think that being an asshat by making an antagonistic post on the forums is going to fix this issue? No.
If it ain't hurting anyone, then let people enjoy their overpriced plush toys. God knows I've spent more money on stupider shit myself.
EDIT: I guess this is extra rich considering my username and profile pic. Never said I didn't like the memes.
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SatoriServant
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This whole argument is utterly ridiculous for way too many reasons.
1) You don't have to like fumos, but hating plushies is absurd. You could feel slightly frustrated over something you dislike having such a spotlight, but to actually hate them is absurd. It's a plushie;
2) Why be mad that people spend their money in the way they like? To be mad about scalpers/resellers is different, but you have nothing to do with people's wallets. If someone wants to pay 40 dollars/euros on a fumo and feel happy about it, what do you have to do with it?;
3) It's hard to be certain if the "fumo culture" actually damages Touhou. But considering how much it has spread to the point of people making crowdfunds over their own fumos (that have nothing to do with Touhou characters) you can suppose that actually spreads the franchise to more people rather than damage it. People will wonder where the fumos came from and find the answer in Touhou;
4) You could name many more logical reasons for why Touhou can be on decline (if the downfall is happening in the first place), such as the fact the main series game still relies on a genre that's not nearly as popular as it's peers. I have seen more people playing Touhou DESPITE being a Bullet Hell than playing it BECAUSE it's a Shmup.
Also, the "Fake Interest" argument is real. People like to hop in over popular stuff for the sake of it's popularity, and fumos are no exception.
But to how this agency of tourism would damage this series, that is beyond me. I can see it happening in other franchises that have more centrallized communities/fandoms, but Touhou community is very spread. Unless westeners overhyping plushies somehow negatively affects the Japanese/Chinese community and I'm unaware of how.
1) You don't have to like fumos, but hating plushies is absurd. You could feel slightly frustrated over something you dislike having such a spotlight, but to actually hate them is absurd. It's a plushie;
2) Why be mad that people spend their money in the way they like? To be mad about scalpers/resellers is different, but you have nothing to do with people's wallets. If someone wants to pay 40 dollars/euros on a fumo and feel happy about it, what do you have to do with it?;
3) It's hard to be certain if the "fumo culture" actually damages Touhou. But considering how much it has spread to the point of people making crowdfunds over their own fumos (that have nothing to do with Touhou characters) you can suppose that actually spreads the franchise to more people rather than damage it. People will wonder where the fumos came from and find the answer in Touhou;
4) You could name many more logical reasons for why Touhou can be on decline (if the downfall is happening in the first place), such as the fact the main series game still relies on a genre that's not nearly as popular as it's peers. I have seen more people playing Touhou DESPITE being a Bullet Hell than playing it BECAUSE it's a Shmup.
Also, the "Fake Interest" argument is real. People like to hop in over popular stuff for the sake of it's popularity, and fumos are no exception.
But to how this agency of tourism would damage this series, that is beyond me. I can see it happening in other franchises that have more centrallized communities/fandoms, but Touhou community is very spread. Unless westeners overhyping plushies somehow negatively affects the Japanese/Chinese community and I'm unaware of how.