Bosses you think are boring/annoying and what you would do to fix them?

[Mi0ink]

I can't speak on since this I have only played 2 Touhou games and haven't found anyone boring or annoying (anymore). But you guys have certainly played much more than me.

 

[SateriCat17]

I can't speak on since this I have only played 2 Touhou games and haven't found anyone boring or annoying (anymore). But you guys have certainly played much more than me.

I've played far more than just two Touhou games, but as I have to be pretty careful with dodging the bullets, I'm not sure really any of the bosses are "boring" for me.

 

[YuyuFumo]

I wouldn't say that an entire specific fight is annoying, it's more like certain phases or spell cards with bad gimmicks or poorly-thought out design. Seija Kijin's control-reversing gimmick is a prime example since the difficulty comes from fucking with the player's muscle memory instead of providing a challenging or unique pattern. Another is Koishi Komeiji's 'Depths - Genetics of the Unconscious', which is pretty much a survival spell card that requires you capture it like a normal one.

If you want what I consider to be my least favorite fight from the series, it's (ironically enough) Evil Eye Sigma. You can't focus through bullet-heavy patterns, you get extremely limited resources, it fucking kills your hand if you don't have an autoclicker to fire, and the kamikazee laser that comes right out of nowhere when you kill him is an extremely cheap way to screw over players with no lives left. Most these problems are a byproduct of SoEW's design, but it still makes for an extremely frustrating and unfun fight.

 

[SateriCat17]

I wouldn't say that an entire specific fight is annoying, it's more like certain phases or spell cards with bad gimmicks or poorly-thought out design. Seija Kijin's control-reversing gimmick is a prime example since the difficulty comes from fucking with the player's muscle memory instead of providing a challenging or unique pattern. Another is Koishi Komeiji's 'Depths - Genetics of the Unconscious', which is pretty much a survival spell card that requires you capture it like a normal one.

If you want what I consider to be my least favorite fight from the series, it's (ironically enough) Evil Eye Sigma. You can't focus through bullet-heavy patterns, you get extremely limited resources, it fucking kills your hand if you don't have an autoclicker to fire, and the kamikazee laser that comes right out of nowhere when you kill him is an extremely cheap way to screw over players with no lives left. Most these problems are a byproduct of SoEW's design, but it still makes for an extremely frustrating and unfun fight.

I quite like Seija's attacks. I think they're interesting, and even a bit fun. Same with Sukuna's fight in the same game.
Both of them and their interesting boss fights are one of the reasons for why DDC is one of my favorite Touhou games.

 

[SateriCat17]

I've played far more than just two Touhou games, but as I have to be pretty careful with dodging the bullets, I'm not sure really any of the bosses are "boring" for me.

Though, there are a few which I would consider "annoying" to fight. At least one example is Parsee. Her attacks are interesting, but her patterns (specifically the ones which chase you) keep running my plays into the ground. As I've mentioned before, I've only been able to get past her once.
Well, I still do quite like her character and design regardless.
I think another example would be Sekibanki. Much like with Parsee, her attacks are interesting to me, but she's just so gosh darned annoying to fight...
I don't really find much interest in her design or character either (while I do quite like the designs and characters of Wakasagihime and Kagerou).

 

[SateriCat17]

Though, there are a few which I would consider "annoying" to fight. At least one example is Parsee. Her attacks are interesting, but her patterns (specifically the ones which chase you) keep running my plays into the ground. As I've mentioned before, I've only been able to get past her once.
Well, I still do quite like her character and design regardless.
I think another example would be Sekibanki. Much like with Parsee, her attacks are interesting to me, but she's just so gosh darned annoying to fight...
I don't really find much interest in her design or character either (while I do quite like the designs and characters of Wakasagihime and Kagerou).

Ah. One last annoying boss I'll state is with Reimu from IN. Good Lord, she is almost the peak of annoying to fight...
I can never seem to fight her without either timing out or getting blasted to pieces by her.
My hatred for her IN fight probably surpasses my annoyance at Parsee and Sekibanki's boss fights.
It's one of the main reasons I prefer to stick to playing as Youmu and Yuyuko in that game.
The more I think about it, the more I realize that if there is a "most annoying Touhou danmaku game boss fight" for me, it probably would be with Reimu from IN. So, I guess you have my answer with that now.

 

[YuyuFumo]

Ah. One last annoying boss I'll state is with Reimu from IN. Good Lord, she is almost the peak of annoying to fight...
I can never seem to fight her without either timing out or getting blasted to pieces by her.
My hatred for her IN fight probably surpasses my annoyance at Parsee and Sekibanki's boss fights.

Sounds like you struggle most with streaming and positioning. All the bosses mentioned above lean very heavily on bullets/lasers than are aimed at the player while scattering other junk around the battlefield to distract them. Some advice you may or may not find helpful: Focus on moving as little as possible during these spell cards. These attacks prey on the player panicking and moving around everywhere, which only scatters more bullets and makes them harder to dodge. If the boss moves around a lot, then focus on getting them to shoot their focused shots in an area you're not going to be in before quickly ducking under them to return fire.

That said, Parsee is one of my favorite fights in the series. All her spell cards are extremely unique and additionally based on Japanese folk tales (or Shakespeare in the case of 'Green-Eyed Monster'). Green-Eyed Jealousy is also one of SA's best tracks, and that's saying something since the whole OST is peak ZUN music.

 

[SateriCat17]

Sounds like you struggle most with streaming and positioning. All the bosses mentioned above lean very heavily on bullets/lasers than are aimed at the player while scattering other junk around the battlefield to distract them. Some advice you may or may not find helpful: Focus on moving as little as possible during these spell cards. These attacks prey on the player panicking and moving around everywhere, which only scatters more bullets and makes them harder to dodge. If the boss moves around a lot, then focus on getting them to shoot their focused shots in an area you're not going to be in before quickly ducking under them to return fire.

That said, Parsee is one of my favorite fights in the series. All her spell cards are extremely unique and additionally based on Japanese folk tales (or Shakespeare in the case of 'Green-Eyed Monster'). Green-Eyed Jealousy is also one of SA's best tracks, and that's saying something since the whole OST is peak ZUN music.

The main problem I have with Reimu in IN is her moving all over the place. You know, those parts of her fight. I'm not sure I struggle too much with her fight otherwise (though it depends wildly on my reaction skills at the time), but the fact she throws so much bullets and other stuff at you is also what makes her so annoying to fight.
If IN didn't have the feature of being able to avoid/shoot down the familiars, then I'd have even more of a time trying to beat her.
Anyway, I definitely agree with you about Parsee's fight being good. If I didn't have so much trouble with getting into the right positions to avoid her following bullets, I know her fight would be pretty fun to me. She's definitely one of the more interesting Touhou characters too and her theme certainly does make me like her character more.

 

[SateriCat17]

The main problem I have with Reimu in IN is her moving all over the place. You know, those parts of her fight. I'm not sure I struggle too much with her fight otherwise (though it depends wildly on my reaction skills at the time), but the fact she throws so much bullets and other stuff at you is also what makes her so annoying to fight.
If IN didn't have the feature of being able to avoid/shoot down the familiars, then I'd have even more of a time trying to beat her.

Though, another thing to note is that the Scarlet Team definitely makes Reimu's fight less painful for me. Regardless, I still never seem to emerge unscathed after fighting her. In comparison, I've gotten past Marisa at least a couple times without losing maybe one or two lives.

 

[Mi0ink]

Seija Kijin's control-reversing gimmick is a prime example since the difficulty comes from fucking with the player's muscle memory instead of providing a challenging or unique pattern.

That reminds I actually can speak on this. I had only played through DDC on normal, with one or two attempts in easy. I did reach the point where I could get to stage 4 with some difficulty (and lots of bombs.) It's been a while since I lasted played.

For me, Seija's spell card where she did the spiral of bullet and repetitively flipping the screen got me the most. Others where she only flipped once weren't as hard once you figured out what your controls were.
(I personally found that bitch named benben to be harder with that off screen curving laser shit spell card. Though that's probably a skill issue on my part.)

If you want what I consider to be my least favorite fight from the series, it's (ironically enough) Evil Eye Sigma. You can't focus through bullet-heavy patterns, you get extremely limited resources, it fucking kills your hand if you don't have an autoclicker to fire, and the kamikazee laser that comes right out of nowhere when you kill him is an extremely cheap way to screw over players with no lives left. Most these problems are a byproduct of SoEW's design, but it still makes for an extremely frustrating and unfun fight.

I fell down to my knees and screamed to the heavens when I saw this statement, "How could some hate the best, I mean, second best character in Touhou!"

Until I remembered the fact I haven't even played SoEW, and everything you said is correct by rewatching a video of the fight. (Also, it isn't a boss, but the random green blobs during the stage are also another reason to hate it)

 

[YourGamingChair]

Rin is annoying and she can be fixed by letting Okuu nuke Gensokyo so no one has to fight her ever again. I can never tell where the wheels are going to end up in Former Hell's Needle Mountain and she makes you run around the screen so much because her fairies.

 

[Napechi97]

Youmu (i can't get used to her slowmo that is often the reason i either have to use bombs or just get hit)
Any extra stage boss, they're literally at the difficulty of Lunatic, the attacks aren't all worst, but hell do i really have to go through 213742067 spellcards with 4 lives left?

 

[SateriCat17]

Youmu (i can't get used to her slowmo that is often the reason i either have to use bombs or just get hit)
Any extra stage boss, they're literally at the difficulty of Lunatic, the attacks aren't all worst, but hell do i really have to go through 213742067 spellcards with 4 lives left?

I actually consider Youmu's fight to be one of my favorites so far. I like that slowdown mechanic of hers. Of course, as I mentioned before, it could be a different story if I played on normal...

 

[SateriCat17]

Rin is annoying and she can be fixed by letting Okuu nuke Gensokyo so no one has to fight her ever again. I can never tell where the wheels are going to end up in Former Hell's Needle Mountain and she makes you run around the screen so much because her fairies.

I've still yet to reach anywhere near Orin. She's one of my favorite Touhou characters, though I have no idea how good I'd be on her fight even on easy.

 

[YourGamingChair]

I actually consider Youmu's fight to be one of my favorites so far. I like that slowdown mechanic of hers. Of course, as I mentioned before, it could be a different story if I played on normal...

I liked her fight a lot on normal and it's definitely my favorite in PCB, but she spawns a lot of bullets each wave and bullets from one wave can stick around for the next. I think my strategy for one of her slowed time spells was just to always bomb on the second wave because of how much she can throw at you, especially since you may not be in a safe spot once time returns to normal.

 

[YourGamingChair]

I've still yet to reach anywhere near Orin. She's one of my favorite Touhou characters, though I have no idea how good I'd be on her fight even on easy.

You can sit on her head and be safe for her first attack, so that's cool at least.

 

[YuyuFumo]

Though, another thing to note is that the Scarlet Team definitely makes Reimu's fight less painful for me. Regardless, I still never seem to emerge unscathed after fighting her. In comparison, I've gotten past Marisa at least a couple times without losing maybe one or two lives.

Yeah, that's because Mari-Ali is the worst partner shot in IN. Bad range, unimpressive damage, a fairly useless unique ability, and one of the series' worst bombs will do that to you. A shame because solo Marisa really isn't that bad of a shot type.

I can never tell where the wheels are going to end up in Former Hell's Needle Mountain

They're roughly aimed at your current location right before she fires them off. If you get the timing down with moving back and forth to start dodging them when she locks their position in, the spell card actually isn't terrible. All her fairy-based attacks also give credence to using ReiSuika since the shot has piercing.

Any extra stage boss, they're literally at the difficulty of Lunatic, the attacks aren't all worst, but hell do i really have to go through 213742067 spellcards with 4 lives left?

Eh, depends on the game. Koishi and Evil Eye Sigma are absolute bitches to fight, but others like Mokou and Suwako aren't crazy difficult once you learn the safe spots on their spell cards. Most extra stages come down to memorization and execution, which is where thprac really comes in handy.

 

[SateriCat17]

Yeah, that's because Mari-Ali is the worst partner shot in IN. Bad range, unimpressive damage, a fairly useless unique ability, and one of the series' worst bombs will do that to you. A shame because solo Marisa really isn't that bad of a shot type.

It's also a shame considering the dynamic between Marisa and Alice in IN is pretty interesting.
Though, with Marisa herself, I've always had trouble playing as her as a result of her shots not homing in unlike most of the other playable characters.
Probably the only games I do well while playing as her are PoFV and UDoALG.

 

[YourGamingChair]

They're roughly aimed at your current location right before she fires them off. If you get the timing down with moving back and forth to start dodging them when she locks their position in, the spell card actually isn't terrible.

I always thought she only aimed for the first wave and everything after was rotated based on that aimed shot. It would have been a lot easier if I knew every wave was aimed.

All her fairy-based attacks also give credence to using ReiSuika since the shot has piercing

I think Marisa and Patchouli would also be good for those too since you can hit Rin from behind as you're moving around her. Although, if Reimu and Suika can end the pattern before the fairies close in, that would be the easiest method.