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Nitori damnit!!! (is she one?) lol
Who is the strongest 2hu?
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It depends. Was it ever stated that Satori can read into a person's powers and weaknesses? I'm afraid I'm not the most well-versed member in satori powers, and I haven't made it to Subterranean Animism yet (both because I should stop only playing the next game after I can 1cc the previous, and because college takes all my time).I would think that Satori would be At least one of the strongest 2hu's, She can read minds. Thinking about that wouldn't she be able to find out the weaknesses of Yukari Or Hecatia. Im thinking of it in the way of her being able counter them by using their attacks, Also using the power to learn knowledge for the most powerful 2hu's in the power of seconds. But thats just my thinking
However, this made me think about the possibility of Yukari & co. hiding their powers somehow. I mean, if someone like Satori comes about and tries to read into their weaknesses; can they counter it somehow? Or are their characteristics akin to an open book, to a mind reader?
Either way, being able to learn knowledge from other people is something I do not remember being a part of her powers (do correct me if I am wrong, please); AFAIK, she can read the immediate thoughts and emotions of people, but not miscellaneous things like knowledge, deep memories, and embarrasing Google searches. I do know for a fact that she's unable to reach into one's subconsciouness; it's why she can't read into Koishi's mind, since she's never acting on full conscience, and pretty much acts out of instinct and subconsciousness. Thus, I'm not sure Satori would be able to read things below one's conscient mind, such as learnings from books that you don't remember actively anymore, but your subconsiousness does.
Welp, I hope this metaphysics on mind-reading made some sense ( ._.)
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Onshi
Didn't get to respond for a while because of school but you do have a point. When i was writing it a was gonna put that she is a easy counter by just other people not thinking of their attacks. And you did have a point on the knowledge thing, I was thinking about it on a stalking sense where they would think about just in their daily lives but that seems unlikely as she never comes out into public and most other people would just steer away from her. But yea thanks to your response i now see satori's powers in a new light. But one other thing is that if sonthing like Yukari goes crazy and tries to kill all the other people in gensokyo (Highly unlikely but using as an example) couldn't satori team up with Patchi or Alice or Marisa all of them being powerful and have them think about their knowledge that they have (not including Google searches) And use the powers against Yukari in like a Mega assault against yukari. I also do remember sonthing about Patchi being one of the strongest people in gensokyo with her vast knowledge but held back by her health problems. Ill just stop this not cuz it sounds like a fanfic theory lol.
Bakaroni
Onshi
If you're talking about who's the strongest canonically, then it's "Dragon"
Here: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Dragon_(God)
Here: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Dragon_(God)
La Sorciere
Onshi
If we forget about the Spell Card rules, I'd go with Remilia because she can manipulate fate so she's unable to lose even aganist Hecatia
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jssf1992
Shrine Maiden
Hmm, I never weighed in on this . . . though I haven't played the last few games, I could perhaps add something.
In terms of raw physical power, I'm pretty sure it's Suika.
In terms of raw magical power, I'm not sure, but I expect that the likes of Flandre, the Wataskuki sisters, Ran, Kanako and Suwako, Yuuka, maybe Marisa, and from the sound of things, Hecatia, would be in the running. (also Mima and Shinki, if you're willing to count them)
For "game breaker" type powers, there's of course Yukari, Sakuya, Remilia*, Mokou, and especially Yuyuko.**
Finally, there's just plain skill, which I would put all of the main playable characters as being high on list, given that the games, by their nature, suggest that these characters are capable of turning the tables on more powerful foes through skill. Which of course, would suggest that Reimu is the best fighter in Gensokyo by pure skill.
Trying to factor all of this together would a nightmare, but I actually think that altogether we would have chiefly the Watasuki sisters, Yukari, and Yuyuko. The sisters have rediculous amounts of magic power and pretty much cheat, the latter two have a lot of power, complete breakers of abilities, and are exceedingly clever (it's shown with Yukari, but really only implied with Yuyuko). But even then, there's so many unanswered questions about characters' powers and they may or may not work, that it could honestly just depend on how someone writes it out.
Hecatia is a mystery to me, not just because I haven't played the game she's from, but because I'm not sure how she fits with setting. The other gods we've seen were Shinto gods (I think) who lacked power due to faith, but were still very powerful. Hecatia is based on a Greek goddess though, so I don't know how she would fit. On the other hand, being based on the Greek goddess of black magic, it would actually make sense if she automatically was just better at magic than anyone else . . .
Since Satori was brought up, I think it bears mentioning that while Satori's mind-reading gives her an edge in skill and cunning, she doesn't seem to have the excessive power that the upper levels of the characters have. She might be able to win against some people somewhat more powerful than her thanks to it, but if she doesn't have the power to actually counter the things her opponents will do, then knowing what they will do isn't going to do her much good.
*Remilia's manipulation of fate is really sketchy. It doesn't seem to be a power she actually uses, and it doesn't really seem to do much. Personally (headcanon), I think the ability isn't anything more than her odd way of getting off scott-free when she messes up, or messes with the wrong person. Otherwise, I'm just not sure what it actually does.
**Yuyuko is a strange case. The idea that she can just will someone to die if things get serious is crazy enough, but since we've never seen it in action, we don't know if it has restriction (i.e. does it work on gods?). There's also that she's not only already dead, but queen of the Netherworld, which probably grants her some protection that normal ghosts wouldn't have. She probably couldn't be . . . destroyed by most opponents. Maybe she can't be destroyed at all, or only a higher authority like the Yama*** could end her.
***Speaking of the Yama, I'm not sure where she falls. Komachi is expressly stated to be powerful, but beatable, but I seem to recall the Yama being implied to be unbeatable by virtue of her job. Not sure if I'm remembering incorrectly, or if there was more to it . . .
In terms of raw physical power, I'm pretty sure it's Suika.
In terms of raw magical power, I'm not sure, but I expect that the likes of Flandre, the Wataskuki sisters, Ran, Kanako and Suwako, Yuuka, maybe Marisa, and from the sound of things, Hecatia, would be in the running. (also Mima and Shinki, if you're willing to count them)
For "game breaker" type powers, there's of course Yukari, Sakuya, Remilia*, Mokou, and especially Yuyuko.**
Finally, there's just plain skill, which I would put all of the main playable characters as being high on list, given that the games, by their nature, suggest that these characters are capable of turning the tables on more powerful foes through skill. Which of course, would suggest that Reimu is the best fighter in Gensokyo by pure skill.
Trying to factor all of this together would a nightmare, but I actually think that altogether we would have chiefly the Watasuki sisters, Yukari, and Yuyuko. The sisters have rediculous amounts of magic power and pretty much cheat, the latter two have a lot of power, complete breakers of abilities, and are exceedingly clever (it's shown with Yukari, but really only implied with Yuyuko). But even then, there's so many unanswered questions about characters' powers and they may or may not work, that it could honestly just depend on how someone writes it out.
Hecatia is a mystery to me, not just because I haven't played the game she's from, but because I'm not sure how she fits with setting. The other gods we've seen were Shinto gods (I think) who lacked power due to faith, but were still very powerful. Hecatia is based on a Greek goddess though, so I don't know how she would fit. On the other hand, being based on the Greek goddess of black magic, it would actually make sense if she automatically was just better at magic than anyone else . . .
Since Satori was brought up, I think it bears mentioning that while Satori's mind-reading gives her an edge in skill and cunning, she doesn't seem to have the excessive power that the upper levels of the characters have. She might be able to win against some people somewhat more powerful than her thanks to it, but if she doesn't have the power to actually counter the things her opponents will do, then knowing what they will do isn't going to do her much good.
*Remilia's manipulation of fate is really sketchy. It doesn't seem to be a power she actually uses, and it doesn't really seem to do much. Personally (headcanon), I think the ability isn't anything more than her odd way of getting off scott-free when she messes up, or messes with the wrong person. Otherwise, I'm just not sure what it actually does.
**Yuyuko is a strange case. The idea that she can just will someone to die if things get serious is crazy enough, but since we've never seen it in action, we don't know if it has restriction (i.e. does it work on gods?). There's also that she's not only already dead, but queen of the Netherworld, which probably grants her some protection that normal ghosts wouldn't have. She probably couldn't be . . . destroyed by most opponents. Maybe she can't be destroyed at all, or only a higher authority like the Yama*** could end her.
***Speaking of the Yama, I'm not sure where she falls. Komachi is expressly stated to be powerful, but beatable, but I seem to recall the Yama being implied to be unbeatable by virtue of her job. Not sure if I'm remembering incorrectly, or if there was more to it . . .
Rantos
Onshi
Cirno for three reasons
1: She's the strongest, it's been proven canonically. She says it all the time.
2: Nothing can beat her perfect move: Perfect Freeze!
3: She's the only chocolate Touhou character we have. Which means instant victory over every character.
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1: She's the strongest, it's been proven canonically. She says it all the time.
2: Nothing can beat her perfect move: Perfect Freeze!
3: She's the only chocolate Touhou character we have. Which means instant victory over every character.
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Drunken_Flower
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Thunder
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Are we looking at this from a VS debating standpoint or is it strictly theorizing without calculations?
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In that case, I'd say that, from what I gather so far (and I don't remember the whole cast 24/7), Yukari is a safe bet.
I usually joke about her making a boundary between "winning and not winning", but real talk, wouldn't that be sweet if it were possible?
I usually joke about her making a boundary between "winning and not winning", but real talk, wouldn't that be sweet if it were possible?
Drunken_Flower
Onshi
hmm... I agree what with jssf1992 said previously.
if i had to choose i usually go straight up to the Watatsuki Sisters, but since they are have not yet acquired the highest position in the Lunar Capital, there's a chance that someone is stronger than them. maybe Chang'e??? or the Emperor??? there's too few we know about the Lunar Capital.
Then there's some more:
For now i'd say the Watatsukis Sisters is the most powerful char.
or Junko.
or 太田順也
if i had to choose i usually go straight up to the Watatsuki Sisters, but since they are have not yet acquired the highest position in the Lunar Capital, there's a chance that someone is stronger than them. maybe Chang'e??? or the Emperor??? there's too few we know about the Lunar Capital.
Then there's some more:
- Dragon God, who vanish as soon as Gensokyo was created
- Kasen, yeah she haven't used her full power yet, and imagine what happens if she get her arm back
- Shinki who creates Makai
- Yuuka the USC Ultra Sadistic Creature
- Mima Chama that vanish as well
- Yuyuko that can OHKO anyone if she wanted to (i wonder if she can defeat the Watatsukis), she might have the imunity from the Yama's Contract, but she might also be erased from existence by something like Kasen's arm.
- The 4 Hourai person, well yeah... they can be defeated but if they wait long enough there will be no one left to compare.
- Junko that mess the whole Lunar Capital, as well as power to create gods
For now i'd say the Watatsukis Sisters is the most powerful char.
or Junko.
or 太田順也
Swag_Koishi9898
Shrine Maiden
I think I can vote...Yuuka,Mima and Reisen as candidates,Flower Master of the four seasons,Vengeful Spirit...and the moon rabbit with the powers of controlling sanity? Who else? Nuclear bird?
Suwako Moriya
Shrine Maiden
The Watatsuki Sisters are so strong to the point where Reimu hakurei nor Hecatia or Yukari yakumo can beat them.
Swag_Koishi9898
Shrine Maiden
How about let's add...Mai and Satono? Maybe Reimu for actually being a shrine maiden?