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Anyone Else Have Trouble Introducing Touhou To Your Family As A Result Of All The Fanservice And Yuri Derivative Works?

SateriCat17 said:
It could be like that, but I'm someone who prefers to try to connect the dots between "canonical" works and try to see things from how they might be within the story itself regardless of how "bad" the writing may be (but FDS is an exception).
And besides, with Reimu in particular, it's been established for a long time in Touhou canon that Reimu is almost never shown from her own perspective.
ZUN has stated before with something like, "She may be the protagonist, but how she acts depends on how others perceive her". Maybe you might consider it to be "lazy" writing, but one of the main reasons I find Touhou's characters interesting is because of how complex their personalities can be.
These characters aren't just living in a part of the world cut off from the outside. Even their thoughts and personalities can seem "nonsensical" to those from outside.
Gensokyo is like a dream, and much like a dream, it doesn't always have to make sense to make sense.
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So you're telling me that because it's inside of Gensokyo that it's nonsensical to the reader?
I think I understand what you're trying to say, in that Reimu is much more complex than just a plain ol' "good compassionate shrine maiden" or "bad tyrant who kills Youkai on a whim" but I don't think this is a good implementation of a complex narrative.
See, most of the mangas are being written and illustrated by the mangaka, so what happens is that because there's no coordination between them (mainly due to each manga being its own thing) and due to ZUN not having a clear baseline for his characters, each mangaka has a totally different interpretation of what should Gensokyo and its inhabitants be, what that means is that a manga's perception of Reimu in the eyes of X character can change drastically from another manga with the same X character, ZUN probably said that as a le quirky meta narrative but it also falls down because he himself doesn't really have a strong baseline for his characters, he makes them too ambiguous and as a result you get examples like Reimu where she can be ruthless on one manga, lazy on another and quirky on a third. And somehow all of this is canon?
I just feel like this type of handling doesn't work in a canon work. if it was fanon sure, it's open interpretations for the fun of it, but this is supposed to be the baseline for which fanon builds off. No wonder every character is either a mess or flanderized...
 
Spider-Man said:
that's concerning, considering chen looks like a kid.
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What's more concerning is previous topic of episode 18 of chibi reviews of phantasm, where there were also Prismriver Sisters, Cirno and i forgot who else, if i recall correctly there were also Tewi and Wriggle, in the hotspring scene
 
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Naprzeciw said:
It wouldn't be that bad if whole cast in the second half of the episode weren't all naked, especially lolis
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Complaining about lolis in touhou is stupid and is a waste of breath dude, this series has and had a good chunk of them yet people act so surprised
 
fazun said:
Really? It does happen? Poor girl can't even like reading
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There's this one video where some guy associates mental disorders to touhou characters, other than that you can just look at twitter or reddit, they really love their representation...
But seriously, it's a very odd thing to attribute to a character, like this shit isn't quirky or cute, it's a disorder and not a tag line
 
Naprzeciw said:
It wouldn't be that bad if whole cast in the second half of the episode weren't all naked, especially lolis
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Miyazaki's animes have scenes featuring completely naked children bathing with their parents with no censorship (just no details). And what are you gonna do, cancel it too
 
Idkism said:
There's this one video where some guy associates mental disorders to touhou characters, other than that you can just look at twitter or reddit, they really love their representation...
But seriously, it's a very odd thing to attribute to a character, like this shit isn't quirky or cute, it's a disorder and not a tag line
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Oh my god bruh. I know western touhou community is complete shit but they finally laid their hands on our beloved red-and-white Mary Sue didn't they
 
Idkism said:
But seriously, it's a very odd thing to attribute to a character, like this shit isn't quirky or cute, it's a disorder and not a tag line
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Reddit and twitter justice warriors might actually die when you show them someone who's actually autistic and not "muh quirky funny character!" like Laios or whoever else they claim has a disorder.
 
Idkism said:
Complaining about lolis in touhou is stupid and is a waste of breath dude, this series has and had a good chunk of them yet people act so surprised
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Im not complaining about lolis being in touhou, im just agreeing on the fact that it's concerning that someone drew them naked, i feel like you didn't read the full reply
 
fazun said:
Miyazaki's animes have scenes featuring completely naked children bathing with their parents with no censorship (just no details). And what are you gonna do, cancel it too
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I'm just agreeing with someone who was talking in-topic
 
SateriCat17 said:
The fact that Reimu killed the Fortune Teller (as she claimed it was a "sin" for a human like him to have become a youkai despite him swearing to her that he would leave the village and not return), is in some ways, the sole reason why I don't like her as much as I would otherwise.
I've heard others mention over and over again "Oh, she was justified in doing that to keep the balance in Gensokyo", but it still doesn't sit right with me regardless.
I think FS is a really good manga otherwise, but seeing the characters actually kill the youkai (yes, even Marisa does too a little bit earlier in the manga, though as it was a more "out-of-control-youkai", then I don't think it was as bad as Reimu killing the Fortune Teller), especially with the Fortune Teller, then I didn't ever read any further than that.

Also, to anyone else, please don't just go prattling on about "Reimu being justified in killing him", as, as I already said, I've heard the argument dozens of times, and it'd just go in one ear and out the other.
So, save your breath guys.
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Reimu sliming out the Fortune Teller but giving a pass to Byakuren and Alice for doing the exact same shit. There are a bunch of other 2hus who have canonically killed people including Yukari, Eirin, Yuyuko (not counting herself), Youmu, Junko, Ran (assumed since Yukari has killed people), Mokou, Kaguya, Kasen, Rumia, etc.
 
SateriCat17 said:
It could be like that, but I'm someone who prefers to try to connect the dots between "canonical" works and try to see things from how they might be within the story itself regardless of how "bad" the writing may be (but FDS is an exception).
And besides, with Reimu in particular, it's been established for a long time in Touhou canon that Reimu is almost never shown from her own perspective.
ZUN has stated before with something like, "She may be the protagonist, but how she acts depends on how others perceive her". Maybe you might consider it to be "lazy" writing, but one of the main reasons I find Touhou's characters interesting is because of how complex their personalities can be.
These characters aren't just living in a part of the world cut off from the outside. Even their thoughts and personalities can seem "nonsensical" to those from outside.
Gensokyo is like a dream, and much like a dream, it doesn't always have to make sense to make sense.
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are you fucking sammy on mario boards because they also say daddy
 
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Naprzeciw said:
What's more concerning is previous topic of episode 18 of chibi reviews of phantasm, where there were also Prismriver Sisters, Cirno and i forgot who else, if i recall correctly there were also Tewi and Wriggle, in the hotspring scene
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CIRNO?????????
NO
IM GOING INTO ME SPIDER-MAN CAVE
 
YEAAAA im going to not watch anime! (even i, a fucking htf watcher)
fazun said:
Miyazaki's animes have scenes featuring completely naked children bathing with their parents with no censorship (just no details). And what are you gonna do, cancel it too
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