Paracausality

I don't know if this counts, but I was not expecting to find Lunarians in an Analog Horror by Mr. Manticore called "The Nixonverse/The House in The Ocean".

Now whether or not Mr. Manticore knows Touhou(which would not surprise me considering how shitpost-y and UTTERLY METH FUELED his work is) is unknown, but the similarities between NV Lunarians and 2hu Lunarians are quite surprising...

This is what an NV Lunarian(though none other than the Queen actually shows up on screen) looks like: and yes, that's actually a thing in The Nixonverse, apparently Frank Sinatra in Mr. Manticore's multiverse is an Eldritch Deity and a shade of God with the ability to Perfectly Assimilate down to the quantum level ANYTHING.

Not only that, they also have similarities with KKHTA Lunarians, they once tried to form a bond with humans, but their Queen who is Donyale Luna got shot in the face by a NASA Turbolaser, this pissed her off as procedes to "Evict from Reality" the human in charge of the Lunar mission that led to this encounter, and she saw it as a declaration of war. 

They tries to Assimilate humans into being part of the Lunar Kingdom, and was erasing human language and replacing it with Lunarian at a conceptual level. But is stopped by Frank Sinatra, who after turning into a mass of Assimilating anomalous matter due to the grief of having dropped "his" reporter girlfriend off the fucking Chrysler Building goes insane, and annihilates the planet and the moon replacing it exactly as it was with no one noticing anything different, except that the Lunarians were forcibly written out of existence, because "Alcatraz Matter" rejects whatever Lunarians are made of in a 'Fate defying/impossible' move called "Alcatraz Gambit/Alcatraz Checkmate"

Lunarians in The House In The Ocean also also use their Planet destroying cannons to erase the Earth after it was marked as VOID by a constellation created by a rogue A.I budget Mechagodzilla called CHASE. For more context(which is probably very much needed here) just watch Mr. manticore's videos on YT

They're not racists however, in fact, they're very much all gaga about "Equality", and are hostile towards all "Inequality/disturbance to a balanced system". 

If an NV Lunarian was in Touhou? I don't think they'd be impure or pure, their Queen(a shade of Richard Nixon who ascended and became God, just watch the series) was made of Template/Alcatraz Matter(her's was inert, that's why Frank overpowered it), she's as impure or pure as atoms or neutron or protons or electrons or quarks, that is to say, she doesn't belong in either category, since from my understanding to be pure in 2hu is to remove oneself from lively or deathly things. NV Lunarians don't care about that, they're like rocks, or conscious moving statues powered by Magic and driven by a soul. A Lunarian citizen is also made of Moon dust, a consciousness, and Magic. So same thing with the Queen.

I wonder how a 2hu Lunarian would react to an NV Lunarian and vice versa.

The Queen

D-Day Knight

CHASE

Lunarian planet destroying cannons.

Lunarian Cloud Ship

Lunarians can apparently insta-lobotomize people lol.

We don't know how advanced their tech is, but judging from these alone, and the fact the their Queen is a shade of Nixon who transcends space time the laws of nature and is Omniscient post-apotheosis, well...

If you thought KKHTA was pure insanity, then sorry to break it to you, but Mr. Manticore's work is what you get The Joker himself tries to make a story. To give you an idea, only in Mr. Mverse can getting vaporized turn you into an immaterial, immortal, transcendent being independent from all fundamental laws, existing simply AS for no other reason- 

In other words, getting nuked makes you invisible, and being invisible apparently turns you into an Outer god. Only brilliant madness could ever come up with this. It makes sense too, after all the only things that are invisible in the universe, things that exist, but cannot be touched by light, and since they cannot be touched by it, that means they don't physically exist, that means they don't care about physical limitations

Dark Matter and Dark Energy are the only known invisible things in existence, and those can move the whole Universe.

His works BETTER WRITTEN than KKHTA too, like It's... surprisingly immaculate, the writing is sublime, there are very little plot-holes, "inconsistencies" are purposefully put in place to perfectly bind the storylines together later, making the work consistent instead, and not mention more depressing.

In KKHTA that whole shebang was a one-time thing, in Mr. Mverse the whole universe could end at a whim just cause some Lovecraftian deity got bored, and they could move to a different universe and torture everyone there instead this time.

Mr. M is very good at tying together multiple, seemingly unrelated works under his portfolio, and the drama and characters are beautifully written. All that on top of layers of existential crises.

I wish Frank Sinatra The D-Day Knight or NV Lunarians came along and destroyed them.

I like them cause they made my personal favorite and the best(imo) 2hu doujin circle composition

...and likely the most badass too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb5E9668ISo- "The Spirit Puppet"

On 1/11/2023 at 6:47 AM, CountVonNumenor said:

Oh wow, this sure is one unique way to introduce your characters into the story...

Her standing upside down when on Earth is quite fitting

On 12/5/2022 at 8:25 AM, CountVonNumenor said:

May I know a little more about that moment? I really do not remember seeing it in the summary, so the image is lacking from my head. But I will take your word for it. If it is good, then I guess it really is good. 

Sorry for the late reply but here it is.

Khro-me

Toyohime's pose there was actually Bad@ss and truly Iconic if not downright perfect. You can sh*t on the actual series all you want but Toyohime was pure fire there imo. That's all I'm here to say.

Bananas Melons Mangos and Watermelons

Pure Fire

On 9/6/2022 at 10:39 PM, nightsedge561 said:

mimichan wins easy 

realistically windows team would take the win easily as they have Eiki and Hecatia, but really its as you said. Power levels aren't established in pc98, and are honestly only vaguely established in windows at that. we don't know the true extent of a lot of touhou characters abilities because they are never put in situations where they need to use their full power, or in situations where there is an actual threat.

I don't think ZUN'S statement applies to Makai's residents, don't get me wrong, I think Hecate still wreaks most of Makai, but I'm hard pressed to believe she could easily beat the likes of Shinki and Sariel.

And yes, discussions like this are mostly pointless, but I still like speculating when it comes to Touhou's lore, because believe it or not it's lore is actually what got me into the series in the first place after I was intrigued by the context commenters provided on the Bad Apple music video, and what is there that is more mysterious than the PC-98 era.

And of course Mimi chan nukes these fools with ease.

Who do you guys think would win in a fight between Hecatia and Shinki?

So I'm assuming that we all know by now how vague and generally undefined PC-98 is, there's barely any lore, backstory, explanations, etc...especially in regards to power levels, since I'm assuming PC-98 has the same deal as Marineford arc One Piece where the scales/hierarchy of power wasn't established yet.

So which team do you think would win in this fight: 

Shinki, Sariel, Konngara, Hakurei God, Rikako, Yumemi, Yumeko, PC-98 Yuuka, Elly, Elis, Mima, Meira, Luiz, Mimi-Chan, Five Magic Stones, Genji, Gengetsu, and Mugetsu   

vs   

Hecatia, Junko, Eiki, Clownpiece, Okina, Yukari, Kasen, Suika, Eirin, Kaguya, Mokou, Toyohime, Yorihime, Sagume, Doremy, Utsuho, Yuyuko, Youmu, Remilia, Flandre, Sakuya, Modern Yuuka

Bonus: One of the teams vs Dragon God

And with what difficulty?

Hard? Medium? or Low?

And please try to explain your answer...

"The Ultimate Battle between Legends"

Average really...

18 hours ago, CountVonNumenor said:

Alright, time for an actual reply. First of all, thank you for actually coming back into this, even so many months after the original post. 

 

I guess it is more about being a fan of this series feeling out of place when you are the only one in a large crowd knowing about the existence of the series. 
 

I thought people heavily disliked Jojo fans for being annoying. But yes, our community seems to be very dedicated to the franchise, and will always be able to create something new or introduce us into anything. I mean Touhou was referenced even on Cartoon Network, despite not directly/through a parody. But I thought Touhou also counts into the category of "weeb content", and we all know how much people hate weebs and weaboos. 

 

I used to not be very interested in the issue in the past. I was actually asked by my school colleagues why I took no interest in a relation, and could not explain it. It just felt like I was not interested, and tried instead focusing on other stuff. Now, I think it might start biting me in the butt. I used to prefer solitude for a long while, but then 2020 and lockdown happened. After 2 months stuck inside my home, I realized I need to see people, and when we could finally go out, I tried hanging out with my best friend as much as I could. 
 

Fascinating, I heard the same thing a while ago from an acquaintance. 
 

I would write a lot about this, but I have explained in full detail how I got into the series as part of my first thread on this forum 

 

 

Indeed, it is full of degeneracy. It becomes problematic though if the things from the internet are not only kept there, but also come into real life. Like if your "internet life" actually affected your real life and how people see you irl just through the lens of online posting.

 

Maybe I have not missed so much. It is annoying though people make it as if I did though, especially when you have not gone through the "standard" stages of your life up to an age. Like if you are still very delayed with a lot of issues, or do not feel emotionally ready for them. Your logic says something, but your mind and instincts start beating you up with exactly the opposite. I have not felt the pressure of being alone until now, but recently it started becoming ever so pressing. And not really in the way of "I have to do it", but more like "I am feeling alone, I really need someone next to me". Yes, I have been feeling alone this entire last year, especially since I lost an entire first college year and interactions through long distance online courses.

What also scares me a bit is that every traits I may be looking for to find on a girl, I have found exactly on my best friend, who is a guy. He is smart, has a personality (although having a personality is something arbitrary to define), we both like the same things (especially a strong liking for Touhou and history), and he is also the kind of person who I would stay talk to all day long and can listen to all my rambling for hours without getting annoyed. I guess finding someone like this, but as a girl, could be very hard, if not impossible to find if I not looking hard enough.   

Finally, my entire sentiment of feeling alone eventually went into what I am drawing, which can also explain why I am constantly frustrated and not satisfied with what I do (and perhaps one of the reasons how I ended up into Touhou, despite never having taken an active interest in anime/anime style art and bullet hell games). As much as I love designing tanks, there's still the feeling, almost self-pushed for drawing girls too. I was never too interested in that before 2020, but I started to feel it like a need for completing a void I have. Even designing my OC feels more like a coping mechanism, as one of my original thoughts back then was to design basically "the girl of my dreams". Which, as cheesy as it may sound, might just be a reflection of feeling lonely and become a more and more easy pray for waifu/cute girl bait stuff from media. Hell, maybe that was one of the reasons I actually got stuck into Touhou for so long and still feel fiercely loyal to it despite never having played the games (when in the very same fateful 2020 I switched through multiple fandom before landing into that one). Until recently, I have been in denial about a lot of stuff, but irl friends really helped me start realize some of the stuff and I've begun speaking more freely and honestly about it. 
 

All of this is...understandable.

My personality is actually something that works perfectly in this kind of situation, I'm solitary but generally amicable, this results in me having good acquaintances and connections with other people, but that's where it stops, nobody knows more than surface level details about me, and that results in me having a sort of perfect balance in my social life. After all, it's nobody's business what you're into.

And the drawing thing is somewhat understandable as well, although I don't draw to cope or anything like that, I just do...because I like putting my imaginations into physical form, and I find it super satisfying to do that for a reason probably only artists or philosophers or smth know lol.

You have no doubt noticed that there's a sort of pattern with me: Sariel, Shin Megami Tensei, my Good Omens(which I just finished watching btw, and it was awesome. I recommend it to anyone here) PFP. I like Angels for some reason, it's not even because I'm Catholic, I just have an unexplainable fascination with them, and I find them cool and interesting. So do you know what I do about that? I draw them of course, and nobody needs to see them or find out about it or smth.

People are judgemental, that's just how it is, we make fun of others, and harm them for being different left right and center.

Feel free to draw what you like drawing, and if people who see them take it sideways(unless of course it actually is...you know...), then that's their fault for assuming, and possibly even projecting.

And regarding the whole unstable emotional state thing, I get that too, 99% of the time I don't care about romance, but every now and then for some reason that's unknown even to me, I get this sudden urge like my body telling me "Hey, you need to find yourself a nice partner right now, AND START A FAMILY!!", and I'm like "dafuq? No?". It's strange and confusing I know

But the formula I use for all of this is to simply keep track of everything important that needs to be taken care of right away and when I have free Time , I then use that as an opportunity to relax, to clear up my head, and think of what my next move will be.

My M.O in life is simply to be grateful, adaptable, flexible, to be calm, to keep smiling, and to simply...'Ride the waves of fate' if you will.

...Also maybe go quite crazy every now and then, but considering what life can be like, I'm sure it's far more relatable than it seems, and besides I live alone anyway so I doubt I'm disturbing anyone lol.

Why the hell does Yuukarin have 4 wings in Seihou?

I don't have a favorite game, but there's many games that I do like, some just as much as if not more than Touhou, such as Shin Megami Tensei(especially Nocturne, 5, 4A, and Devil Survivor though I'd like to know more about DDS, Last Bible, DS2, DS2RB and QDS They seem interesting since the final enemies there the Hindu Harihara, Canopus, Polaris, Universal WIll, Brahman is completely different to YHVH), the Final Fantasy series, Devil May Cry, Castlevania, Soulsborne games especially Bloodborne, God of War, MW2, various Roblox games, Snake(lol), Red Dead Redemption, various horror games, various light novel games, Deltarune, DOTA, MLBB, Starcraft, Sim City and Cities Skylines, and Rockstar games specifically GTA and Bully(There are more games that I like, but I don't feel like listing them).

The ability to manipulate nuclear fission and convert stuff into being fissile...THAT, or the ability to manipulate and create anti-matter

I want my ability to be the opposite of Utsuho's lol.

I don't see what's the problem with what I'm reading here(Unless your addicted to Touhou or smth, and it's legitimately causing you some serious issues. In that case, you might wanna lay off the internet in general, and not just Touhou content for a while...), all fandoms have Bad Apples and Touhou is no exception, but even then the talent of many Touhou fans cannot be understated, this is evidenced by literally 90% of all Touhou content which is just fan-content, Touhou fans are like Jojo fans and vice versa, passionate, talented, and loves all things Touhou and JJBA. And about that romance stuff, I don't see the problem with that either, you're still 20 so you've got plenty of time to deal with that, and so why the rush? While I am somewhat aromantic, as well as preferring solitude over having company 80-90% of the time(not to mention busy with work), and I've never really cared about having a gf or anything like that, I still feel like it's generally better to take it slow and easy, trying to rush having a close romantic relationship is just asking for trouble, love can also destroy you just as easily as it can be a creative force, and it can also be just as hideous as it can be beautiful so one must practice caution when it comes to love. I even heard from some acquaintances that I apparently wasn't missing out on much. People have their interests, and I can't fault anyone for being interested in Touhou. After all, it is curiosity that got me into Touhou in the first place; I remember just sitting on my couch, watching videos on YT, wondering what this "Touhou" is that keeps getting referenced in countless works that I've read and watched, and that's pretty much where it started. After that, I just watched the "Bad Apple" music video, asked questions that helped me with getting familiar with Touhou, and after that I was pretty much hooked. The lore, the mysteries, the girls and their interesting backstories and personalities, the fanart, the storylines, the fascinating realm called "Gensokyo", etc...I found it all interesting, and it's specifically that interest that motivated me to know more about Touhou. I don't care what others think of regarding the things I'm interested in(if they learned about them), and one shouldn't always look to other people for approval of their own tastes.

The internet is plagued from head to toe with degeneracy, shouldn't let it dissuade you at all from liking stuff that interests you though...

Touhou fans, or at least you it seems, aren't a lost cause, I don't know where you got that idea cause I don't know what your personal life is like, but you've still got plenty of life ahead of you to look forward to at a ripe age of 20.

Remilia, Flandre, and maybe Sakuya for sure. They are explicitly European vampires.

16 hours ago, adzi said:

One quick dive on Danbooru later...

Sariel has total of 326 arts featuring her... and maybe 3 or more NSFW and several that could be considered otherwise "spicy". Out of 326.

Sheesh, your waifu is niche as heck. XD

Heck yeah! 

We actually don't even know what gender Sariel is, for all we know it might not have a biological gender at all, and thus is completely impossible to lewd >:). 

On 8/6/2022 at 5:31 AM, CountVonNumenor said:

Like I promised. here is the reverse-engineered tier list:

Thank you, much appreciated

This also provides some insight into the progression of Touhou games, at first they were pretty much just barebones, as long as there was a solid game with a simple and understandable plot, it was already good to go, no further details needed, but as the games progressed ZUN also began building his own intricate universe with complete with back stories, mysteries, context, lore, and much more. Also I remember reading something about ZUN being a Shin Megami Tensei fan, so Sariel basically being an SMT boss ripped straight from Nocturne or something, and plopped right into Touhou as the final boss makes sense to me. 

Just take a look at SMT Lucifer and Metatron, and compare them to Sariel. 

I even heard that Shinki is straight up supposed to be a reference to SMT Lucifer, so if everything else has a Touhou reference in it, then Touhou instead has an SMT reference in it lol, and later on as I've said Touhou evolved more into it's own thing with characters and the background becoming more and more fleshed out and original. 

They make absolute bangers, nothing more to say really

I think Sariel is more or less Hecatia tier, if the ff are true: 1. Sariel was not created by Shinki, 2. It really is a Fallen Angel straight from The Silver City, 3. It wasn't fully defeated by Reimu and simply left or retreated, and 4. It's of the Seraphim-class of Angels.

I'd put Fanoich up there, as well as those youtubers that explain the lore of Touhou...oh, and also that guy who made "Mr Beast in Gensokyo".

Because that's just human nature, look at how many crimes and controversies centered around sexual stuff happen on a daily basis, the saying "If it exists, there is porn of it." is not only a meme, but also astonishingly accurate, and when you give internet peeps access to a massive female cast for reference for material...

Luckily my favorite Touhou character, namely Sariel will never be a victim of this degenerate antics, and that's all that matters to me :)