CountVonNumenor Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 This may not be the most serious topic of discussion, but I do have a bit of curiosity. Ever since I have been into the fandom, I have seen the discussion about canon vs fanon depiction of Eiki Shiki going on, usually with people not really liking her fanon version. Because of this, I am looking to see how do people like her? Personally, I am not too much of a fan of the angry loli midget Eiki that is constantly wrathful and sends people to Hell due to arbitrary reasons (like having bigger boobs than hers). Especially after reading about her and from the canon sources she appears in, I actually did start like that character. Paradoxically though, or like a bit of hypocrisy, I still find stuff like Convictor Yamaxanadu from IOSYS funny to watch. And the fact that one of her portraits, the one from Grimoire of Marisa, made her look child-like, only put more fire for that fanon image of a kindergartener looking girl. For me, I tend to see Eiki Shiki as a person with good intentions and who wants people to repent/be better in order to avoid a bad afterlife, even if she could be stern. At least in my mind, she does not fit with the always angry midget image, but I would rather like to depict her as a more mature and maybe gracious woman, and maybe somewhere between mid-height and tall, since I also like imagining her as rather imposing. Honestly, it took me a bit of time until I started exploring the characters of PoFV, but now I ended up with Eiki being among my favorite Touhou characters. I like her design, her music theme is also very good, and is overall the kind of character I really want to learn more about and read any bit of related canon material. In the end, I would like to know to know how you prefer interpreting her, and what do you like about the character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 I love eiki she my gf irl and she fine the way she is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountVonNumenor Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Macbeth said: I love eiki she my gf irl and she fine the way she is Oh no, this answer reminds me way too much of that one XG3E weeb dude on YouTube (creator of the "I want mommy/I want milk" shitpost format) and his daily community posts about how much he wants to [you know what] Reisen. Or that other person, BlankGuy, who is a strong supporter of gatekeeping and just throwing around inflammatory ideas for the sake of creating toxicity. I know you might be joking (I hope), but that sentence reminded me way toouch of some people I really despise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 tall eiki is serious smol eiki is not serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountVonNumenor Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) I think when it comes to fanart depictions of Eiki, probably one of my favorite is the one created by Iganashi1. There's just something I like a lot about his version of the Yama. Link for the artist: https://twitter.com/Iganashi1?s=20&t=gqtQgGsPsZJ4dEnLS3HTPg Edited April 9, 2022 by CountVonNumenor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksymphony777 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 canonically eiki is supposedly almost as tall as komachi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenkko Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 i don't like the boob jokes but i don't mind her being a bit more unhinged for funnies. height is irrelevant. (YES iganashi's eiki is great. very leggy) 1 Quote everything is just peachy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrongDrunkenChild Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) I really like that first Eiki pic. Specifically the face. Kindof reminds me of Bryan Lee O'malley stuff. Edit: oh yeah this artist is incredible Edited April 9, 2022 by StrongDrunkenChild 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountVonNumenor Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Darksymphony777 said: canonically eiki is supposedly almost as tall as komachi That is how I knew it too. However, where did the short, fanon-favorite version of Eiki come from? Is it due to the depiction from Grimoire of Marisa (I really do not like so much the style in that book, as everyone looks like a kindergartener - especially Eiki) and Perfect Memento in Strict Sense, or was it purely something done by the fans in order to create a contrast between her and Komachi (on the model of that from Bleach with Rangiku Matsumoto and her short boss)? 12 minutes ago, StrongDrunkenChild said: I really like that first Eiki pic. Specifically the face. Kindof reminds me of Bryan Lee O'malley stuff. Edit: oh yeah this artist is incredible Yeah, I really like his/her style of drawing. It has enough simplicity, yet at the same time conveys so much. That, and the characters drawn look extremely cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenkko Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, CountVonNumenor said: That is how I knew it too. However, where did the short, fanon-favorite version of Eiki come from? Is it due to the depiction from Grimoire of Marisa (I really do not like so much the style in that book, as everyone looks like a kindergartener - especially Eiki) and Perfect Memento in Strict Sense, or was it purely something done by the fans in order to create a contrast between her and Komachi (on the model of that from Bleach with Rangiku Matsumoto and her short boss)? somewhere around 2006-2007, i don't know exactly what the catalyst was. maybe PMiSS fueled it. i think it's just an exaggeration of her PoFV appearance, and small and angry being a common combo they also made her short. (no respect for us short kings) 2 Quote everything is just peachy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountVonNumenor Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Tenkko said: somewhere around 2006-2007, i don't know exactly what the catalyst was. maybe PMiSS fueled it. i think it's just an exaggeration of her PoFV appearance, and small and angry being a common combo they also made her short. (no respect for us short kings) There is respect for you to be given too. I am also rather short, at least for the standards of my current generation and all those I have lived with (I'm just under 175cm tall)(for some reason, a lot of those from my generation seem to be very tall, towering around me at over 180-190cm). But back on topic. Personally really am not too much of a fan of the style/depiction from GoM: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountVonNumenor Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 Wow, I am quite impressed how all of a sudden this thread gathered so much attention, weeks after original post. But I am happy to see discussion going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksymphony777 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 I think in my opinion it was stems from Phantasmagoria of Flower View or more specifically how ZUN drew her in said game. My guess is that the art is so unfitting to look like an adult that people mistook her for a kid, this can also explain why she looks the way she does in grimoire of Marisa, the artists of the manga thought the same thing. Though this does beg a question, who's the tallest touhou character 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenkko Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, Darksymphony777 said: Though this does beg a question, who's the tallest touhou character im a believer of towering junko Quote everything is just peachy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksymphony777 Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Tenkko said: im a believer of towering junko Tall Junko staring at you with a empty smile is intimidating as hell. But I would say yuugi would slightly edge out junko with meiling being a bronze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidX123 Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Tall Eiki Pretty sure the ending cutscene to Touhou 9 also revealed it to be that Eiki was a lot more taller than Komachi and Reimu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksymphony777 Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, DavidX123 said: Tall Eiki Pretty sure the ending cutscene to Touhou 9 also revealed it to be that Eiki was a lot more taller than Komachi and Reimu Komachi's ending in one of the fighting games (can't remember what it's called) reveals that she's slightly taller than eiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenkko Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 honestly talking about canon heights is like talking about power levels Quote everything is just peachy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountVonNumenor Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 At its origin, this thread was more about preference. Especially since the Reddit version of it also had a poll for deciding if you like the tall, short or somewhere in between depiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksymphony777 Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 11:50 PM, Tenkko said: honestly talking about canon heights is like talking about power levels Yeah it is, though to be fair this thread is basically asking if one prefers a short yama or tall yama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gensokian Loser Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 I disregard cannon in this, I have short Eiki headcannon. However, not loli Eiki, she's a mature and serious lady and despite her height, she is quite intimidating because of her demeanour. I don't know, it's an interesting combo. I agree with you on the personality bit though. Where DID the child-like Eiki even come from? She's certainly not like that in the game, it's such a random turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountVonNumenor Posted April 11, 2022 Author Share Posted April 11, 2022 39 minutes ago, Gensokian Loser said: I disregard cannon in this, I have short Eiki headcannon. However, not loli Eiki, she's a mature and serious lady and despite her height, she is quite intimidating because of her demeanour. I don't know, it's an interesting combo. I agree with you on the personality bit though. Where DID the child-like Eiki even come from? She's certainly not like that in the game, it's such a random turn. Oh, seems like a nice compromise option. Not too tall, but still dignified. As for the child-like Eiki, I guess it is just the fandom what fandom does. Takes a character or a part of it, and overblows it. I am not very sure who was the first to implement it in fanon, but I would also blame official art (especially GoM) for it. After all, even official art drew her as a kindergartener, so I guess fans thought why not giver her a matching personality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gou the frog Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 For me, she's a very mature and a fair lady. Her height would be not too tall but not too short either. She's in the middle, like ying and yang. Quote Truly is Yin & Yang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountVonNumenor Posted April 14, 2022 Author Share Posted April 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Gou the frog said: For me, she's a very mature and a fair lady. Her height would be not too tall but not too short either. She's in the middle, like ying and yang. That is very much how I like imagining her too, even if slightly taller than those around her. However, your idea is perfectly balanced, as all things should be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountVonNumenor Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) On 4/9/2022 at 11:10 PM, StrongDrunkenChild said: I really like that first Eiki pic. Specifically the face. Kindof reminds me of Bryan Lee O'malley stuff. Edit: oh yeah this artist is incredible You are in luck. Iganashi has posted a new Eiki drawing today Source: https://twitter.com/Iganashi1/status/1514997029705236485/photo/1 Seriously, his version of the Yama really makes me like to imagine her as an actual, mature woman that has good intentions, even if the way of showing it might be a little rough sometimes. Edited April 15, 2022 by CountVonNumenor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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