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Alright, I've been wanting to have community events, both here and on the Discord.  Most of the normal members probably know me most for hosting the Remix Tournaments, and older members and staff probably know me best for how much I've pushed for community events over the years.

In following with that, I'm hoping to try to do more in future, and with more variety so that more members and members with different interests would join in and enjoy getting more involved with the community.

So, this thread is set up for further discussion of ideas, to both give ideas and respond to ideas given.  I would be very happy for any discussion, staff or not.

 

Obviously, forum games are something worth mentioning; Werewolf/Mafia and it's varieties, possible variations to the Remix Tournament, and others.

There have been a couple of art contests here, and perhaps doing something similar again.

We have had a tournament of sort for Touhou before, comparing scores of players, a bit involved, but possible.

Then of course, we've had Miracle Meet (a weekly meet-up to play games as a community) for a long time, but it has been a while since we had respectable participation.  Obviously, getting more people to participate would be nice.

 

Organizing longer cycles of trying to get people together to play something is one thing I would like to try doing.  Taking longer to organize one or two meet-ups and then move on to a different game/time might have some more success in today's uncertainties.

There is also D&D and other forms of roleplaying.  This has been brought up here more than once, but interest is has always been spotty.  Trying to get something like this going can be a daunting task, but can be a very rewarding one, speaking from experience.  However, such things would take more commitment than any other thing I've brought up.

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The art thing is something I think could be a good idea. Although, making it less of a contest and more of just a making and sharing thing - so there is less pressure and also so people who might not consider themselves as "artists" might feel more inclined to join in (see: my Touhou Doodles thread)

 

My own suggestion and something I would absolutely LOVE to do is a Touhou-themed game jam. However, I'm not sure of how many technically able people there are to participate in that.

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actually i don't really know what to do
the Music Tournament is by far the most successful from all, though we barely got enough participants

Touhou doodles is a nice one, whether it being competetive or not.
we just need to keep it alive somehow. passerby also seems to post something once in a while.
people just feel "reluctant" to submit something. whether feeling not good enough or feel out of place.

last Art Contest is the only one successful in the new forum (i won the 2018 by the only one (privately) submitting but not really)
iirc there was a lot of participants in the old forum but yeah, idk where they go.

Game jam? im planning to learn game dev-ing but i cant get my lazy ass movin for some reason idk why. (help)

Miracle Meet have been exist for quite a time yeah, this one is also almost lacking in participants. it been decently alive for quite some time.
(for you who don't know what that is, basically weekly, we go on discord VC, do something either game or something something together)
though the problem is mostly because it being held in realtime, timezones does not help
also people with shitnet or potato computer having hard time to join
same can be said for Anime Night

RP...
i passionately despise RP, sorry

Touhou (Danmaku) Contest?
rember we have a "Perfectionist" Club? yeah me neither. It was active for a while but no one ever submitted somethin....

OH YEAH ALSO
I rember we ever got Doujin tournament, basically the same as the remix tournament but Doujin
maybe revive that one? (i barely read new doujin help) (Sakkun also missing)

also i rember there was an attempt for a Writing thread, not a tournament, just a thread.
where you make a story by the last image posted.
it died with 1 reply. (Cejic also missing)

rember we have Two Words Story? it's too chaotic.

basically
we don't have enough activity in general.
with forums being left in time with IRC existence.
combined with all the missing old forum history does not help.
also if you been scavenging in every corner of Touhou community, you know how is our reputation.

lemme count active members
me, Jssf, Busker, Garison, Ken
Dana(Amamiya) wouldn't come if aint (vaguely) sent a message on his discord.

Renko, Maribel, Sumireko
idk what they up to

Maden just fixing stuff
goddam Site Editors aint do nothin

some discord actives
oi @Kurzov be alive more

and some passerby

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Welp, now that the maintenance is complete, I'm officially a Firefox user now since with Google Chrome I can't send replies are use different reactions besides "Like". Anyways...

EDIT: Nvm they just fixed this. Quite quick indeed.

For me, I feel we should at least keep the Music Tournament. I really like the format of that.

Touhou Doodles I actually haven't heard of until now, it's a cool idea. Good way to show art with a lot less pressure, so no contest is good. Especially since it's people here who submit their work, rather than Music Tournament, where we get other people's remixes. Since judging would be taken to personally since they really were the ones who made it.

Art Contest, while I haven't participated in it, is something I can at least appreciate for those who are involved.

Game Jam. While I do know C#, Java, I don't have a lot of time to get into making a whole executable project lol. If I were to make something, it'd probably just be a joke game on Scratch XD

Miracle Meet. Anime Night. Anything Discord related I can't participate in. Just because, personally, I barely use Discord. It's tedious sometimes scrolling up and finding/archiving information. Plus the conversations go so quick that I don't think my long essay answers would work there. I prefer more forum type talking where you can really elaborate and think about what to say. I do, however, appreciate Discord's existence and glad that it's here for people who like it, since without it, I imagine all of the fast-typing short answer responses would flood this place.

Roleplay? Honestly that could be really fun. Though, I prefer the comedic type of role play. There's this one game in particular I've just found, Become Fumo. Rumia was just recently added in the newest update and a bunch of people on the server and I chose her, T- Posed, and started blocking off the borger store shouting "STORE'S CLOSED". I hadn't laughed that hard in a while, it was surprisingly fun! Even the dev, scary08, was there XD (Makes me nostalgic to all the good times I had playing Roblox back in 2012, though I rarely play Roblox games beside Touhou ones). So I'm open to the roleplay idea, as long as it's some fun lighthearted memey exaggerations and not some super-serious-canon-power-levels.

Touhou Danmaku Contest. Even though not a lot of people participate in these, I feel these contests are sort of "required" for every Touhou forum, since that's what Touhou is from a purely gaming standpoint. So in terms of the National Geographic's extinction scale, while this one's rare, it's definitely not going extinct anytime soon lol

Doujin Tournament. Tbh haven't had much time to read doujin. Music at least helps because I can listen to it while I do my regular work. But with doujin, it's like I have to concentrate all my energy into it for a long period of time, so I haven't really gone through long ones, just short ones.

Writing Thread. Like I said with Roleplay, as long as it's not super serious and I'm able to make jokes, it'll be something interesting. As long as the images chosen have a lot to work with.

Hmmm... well I already have enough trouble as is distinguishing between what's a role play account and what's an account with just a character's name on it so as long as it's dedicated to it's own section than I'd be cool with it. Roleplay is such a wide topic though that it'll really depend on the type of scenario.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the two-word stories purely because due to the margins of each post (one post taking up like 10% of the total page width), it makes actually reading the story harder. On paper though, it's good, but in practice, due to the site's CSS, it doesn't work too well.

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11 hours ago, Drunken_Flower said:

i passionately despise RP, sorry

Ditto.

I don't have Discord; while I like the idea of the Miracle Meet, I can't think of a way I would be able to coordinate myself with it. I have no art skills to speak of, but I do have some experience in creative writing, so that would be a possibility. Not the #-words stuff, though; I've yet to understand how that's even supposed to work.

Forgive me for being unfamiliar with some terminology, but what does "Doujin" refer to in this context?

11 hours ago, Drunken_Flower said:

basically
we don't have enough activity in general.
with forums being left in time with IRC existence.
combined with all the missing old forum history does not help.
also if you been scavenging in every corner of Touhou community, you know how is our reputation.

lemme count active members
me, Jssf, Busker, Garison, Ken
Dana(Amamiya) wouldn't come if aint (vaguely) sent a message on his discord.

Renko, Maribel, Sumireko
idk what they up to

Maden just fixing stuff
goddam Site Editors aint do nothin

some discord actives
oi @Kurzov be alive more

and some passerby

Not to forget Nitorium and Rorogogo. or popcorn for that matter but . . .

I don't know what our reputation is, but I think I can probably guess. To be fair, some of the higher-ups have dipped a bit into the forums now and again (recent example being Dana's Share Music You Like), but a lot depends on the sub-interests we all have and how comfortable we each are with interaction and committed involvement. I made my account here almost a year before I actually got involved with any activities, and it took something I had an interest in already to secure that involvement. There's a few names I've occasionally seen pop back up unexpectedly, and it may just be a matter of putting out ideas until something catches on.

On that note, @frankdrawsnear has been around recently, so some art-themed activities may be a good idea.

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7 minutes ago, Ken Hisuag said:

Forgive me for being unfamiliar with some terminology, but what does "Doujin" refer to in this context?

manga

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20 hours ago, Drunken_Flower said:

lemme count active members
me, Jssf, Busker, Garison, Ken
Dana(Amamiya) wouldn't come if aint (vaguely) sent a message on his discord.

Renko, Maribel, Sumireko
idk what they up to

Maden just fixing stuff
goddam Site Editors aint do nothin

some discord actives
oi @Kurzov be alive more

and some passerby

@Clownpiece is also somewhat active, and although I thought @frankdrawsnear was just here for the art contest they also posted recently on my Touhou crossovers thread, so I guess he's around?

Prisimriver and Gundamfan used to be quite active, but I don't think they're around anymore...

I think part of the reason that a lot of people with registered accounts don't interact with the forums is because they're not that accessible; as in you have to go out of your way to actually get to the forums section. On the home page, what's the first thing you see? beeg sanae It's the discord, not the forums. And the only thing you really see from the forums on the home page is recent posts at the bottom, which sometimes aren't great because you don't get the context of the conversation. So maybe adding a "recently active threads" section to the home page, with a snippet of the opening post for that thread, would be a good addition. But now I'm getting into stuff that would involve restructuring the actual site; I'm not sure how difficult that would be or whether we should bother Nitorium with that.

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20 hours ago, Drunken_Flower said:

(Cejic also missing)

Also even though he hasn't posted much @Cejic has been online recently.

Spoiler

Woah; Maden, DF, Cejic and myself all online at the same time.

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I tried to look at the old forums in hopes to find some good ideas but unfortunately most snapshots on the Wayback machine are from that april fool's joke in 2014 :v
Lack of activity in the forums also seemed to be a problem in 2016/2017. Apparently due to staff changes and people migrating to Discord.
It's surely interesting to look at it and compare that to the current forum, but I shouldn't go too off-topic in this post.
 

Game tournaments only seem to work once or twice until people start to lose interest. At least that's how it's been whenever we tried it. Many who participated where also part of the Discord crowd and prefered to submit their replays there as well. Wouldn't hep the forums that much I'm afraid.

A game jam sounds nice, although I don't have any experience in game making myself. But as long as it stays casual that shouldn't be a problem. There are some easy to use enviroments available to make simple games. Should probably not matter if it's a joke game or not, as long as everyone has fun doing stuff.

Anything artistic sounds nice especially if it's also casual to make it easy for others to participate. No idea if it'd be something for me though, as I'd want myself to contribute something beyond basic stick figures. Been a while since I tried to draw stuff and never tried creative writing.
You guys don't happen to be interested in something related to papercraft, right? That's one of the few things that I'd manage to pull off, or so I think. :^) Unfortunately that might require some equipment that not everyone happens to have lying around somewhere. But that wasn't a serious suggestion anyways.

 

2 minutes ago, buskerdog said:

I think part of the reason that a lot of people with registered accounts don't interact with the forums is because they're not that accessible; as in you have to go out of your way to actually get to the forums section. On the home page, what's the first thing you see? beeg sanae It's the discord, not the forums. And the only thing you really see from the forums on the home page is recent posts at the bottom, which sometimes aren't great because you don't get the context of the conversation. So maybe adding a "recently active threads" section to the home page, with a snippet of the opening post for that thread, would be a good addition. But now I'm getting into stuff that would involve restructuring the actual site; I'm not sure how difficult that would be or whether we should bother Nitorium with that.

Yeah I get what you mean. Things might not get the focus they need since we've merged the forums and the rest of the website into one big entity instead of them being seperate things. Maybe I'll think of a way to restructure the bar above without making it too crowded again. Wanting to keep it relatively short was the reason why the Forum doesn't have it's own section and is instead included into the Community category.
Many people also register just for the download aspect of the site if I had to take a guess, so that may make it hard to tell who's actually interested in the forums or who's here for downloads and maybe to request some tech support.
We can definitely look into changing things on the home page. Should be doable. Maybe it'll come with seasonal images again as I'm working on the site again

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Also, you'd be surprised how many people say they never noticed the discord link after months or years of using the site

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Nice to see a lot of thoughts, even if some of it's negative.

This wasn't intended for just the forum, since that seems to be a question.  I see the Discord and Forum as two sides of the community, Discord as the faster, looser side, and the forum as the slower, calmer side.  Although, I would think that the forum is more suited to actual events because of that, I also acknowledge that I'm biased.

Lack of activity and participants definitely would be a concern, but I strongly believe in 'build it and they will come'.  This isn't without some backing to it either, we get a lot of traffic, but only a small group of people actually stick around the forum for more than one or two posts.  Those that do, you'll notice, are the ones that get involved with the most active topic here: music.  This actually mirrors what happened with the original forum; many of the OG staff and members were actively interested in roleplaying and Werewolf, and thus many people joined that were interested those things (including myself), to point where roleplaying was the last thing happening on the second forum.

Thus, I think there is some logic to thinking that holding other types of events would draw in people interested in them.  This wouldn't happen instantly of course, which would mean starting small, but I do think such a thing could work out.  Of course, I'm also hoping some people would see this thread and chime in (no need to be afraid to do so, if someone reading this needs the reasurrance!).

 

On 2/13/2021 at 10:54 AM, Drunken_Flower said:

also if you been scavenging in every corner of Touhou community, you know how is our reputation.

I wouldn't know, as this is the only Touhou community I interact with, but I can guess.

21 hours ago, Garison DeCrick said:

Though, I prefer the comedic type of role play.

I am the reverse, sadly.  Probably part of why I've leaned more toward structured rpgs in recent years.

 

The history of Miracle Meet is an odd one, as it wasn't always what it currently is (originally being an opportunity for members to talk directly to staff, not really needed in the day of accessable voice chat), and it could probably stand to go through a new change.  That said, longer planned and thought out meet-ups might get better traction.

A game jam could be interesting, if I have the right idea of what that means.  I know there are a few around that have some of the RPG maker series, though I might be the only one active currently.  I know there are some other software that work similarly.

 

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5 hours ago, buskerdog said:

 It's the discord, not the forums

Actually, when I first came here, I didn't have a Discord account, so there was no Discord option showing for me. So the Discord option only shows if you're logged into Discord, otherwise it remains invisible, which can be confusing, but kind of makes sense.

But yeah, I could see why people would prefer Discord over the forums. Real time messaging, faster, more active, etc. But I don't think having a flood of random content like on there will really help this place lol

4 hours ago, Maden said:

most snapshots on the Wayback machine are from that april fool's joke in 2014

Lol if it makes you feel better, I've at least been archiving stuff like the Musical Discoveries thread and Remix Tournaments on there XD But yeah, I wish more of the older stuff was saved. Funnily enough, I've used this site since around 2015 to download the games, but never bothered making an account until now. To be honest, I really just thought of this site as a Download hosting hub like that Touhou Project Lovers blogspot back then. Never really saw it's Forum aspects until I searched up Buskerdog after seeing his Rivals of Aether mods.

Speaking of which, I think big thing is having the different forum options shown on the frontpage. There's the latest news with Nitorium talking about website updates that people can't really contribute to unless they're web developpers XD and the "What's going on in the shrine" usually get's covered by posts in the same topic, like this one lol. The top header blends in too well with the site, so it's hard to see the other threads going on here, especially for a new person. Heck, even me, when someone posts about their Touhou game having bugs and it covers the "What's going on in the shrine" section, I have to navigate through my search history just to find stuff like the Remix Tournament and other threads I made.

4 hours ago, Maden said:

Also, you'd be surprised how many people say they never noticed the discord link after months or years of using the site

Again lol I was one of those people. But yeah, literally, it doesn't show up unless you're logged into Discord. So when people would tell me "omg it's just on the front page at the top", for me it was literally invisible.

52 minutes ago, jssf1992 said:

I am the reverse, sadly.  Probably part of why I've leaned more toward structured rpgs in recent years.

That's fine. It's mostly just tough trying to portray a character canonically versus fanonically (if that's even a word).

53 minutes ago, jssf1992 said:

RPG maker series

Ayyy I remember I tried making one a while back. I made the first map with a free tileset and then gave up because I couldn't draw plus all the cool tilesets you had to pay for. I remember someone on here also made an RPG maker meme game based on the Moriya Shrines. Though, considering you do more structured RPGs, I'd be curious what sort of story you'd have in yours.

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47 minutes ago, Garison DeCrick said:

Actually, when I first came here, I didn't have a Discord account, so there was no Discord option showing for me. So the Discord option only shows if you're logged into Discord, otherwise it remains invisible, which can be confusing, but kind of makes sense.

wait what really?
that Invite panel is relatively new, not even a year or so maybe
maybe, if i recall correctly, maybe
replacing a small simple invite panel before it

FYI in the beginning there's just a WidgetBot on the bottom left of the screen which pop up messages everytime someone sent a message on the #general chat, you can imagine how many notification show up.
then it get deleted in few weeks.

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that was out of topic but yes

so yeah, back to the topic which is i don't really know what to do.
Forums nowadays just used as archive, like "how to" stuff, guides, QnA, reviews, memes(?), long term project, logs, blog (OH YEAH anyone know we have blog section? yeah me neither) and etc.
i mean at least that how i use it for other communities,
like, i always search for stuff before asking questions. for example "how to fix th06 D3DX9_43.dll"
those goddamn games not working reports aint even look in the bug/issues section first, heck they aint even post questions in the right place.
probably something like a long in-depth discussion work best here

about art section
yeah maybe i can fill that up, but if i post too much i might intimidate newcomers, which is not what we want
i do few mentoring here n there, but not many listen to me orz.png

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3 hours ago, Garison DeCrick said:

"What's going on in the shrine" usually get's covered by posts in the same topic, like this one lol.

Yoooo ok. The site's homepage just changed. Dang you know, I didn't expect it to get changed that fast! XD Big props to whoever did that. But yeah, I definitely like this style a lot more, being able to see the individual threads that are most active rather than like 3 posts for one thread.

2 hours ago, Drunken_Flower said:

about art section
yeah maybe i can fill that up, but if i post too much i might intimidate newcomers, which is not what we want

Yeah for art I feel if so much gets added it just ends up like another booru/imageboard/subreddit/pixiv. This place's focus should be about the text-based content like music reviews or art commentary, since there's plenty of places people can go already for specific Touhou art to cater to their own personal interests. So I'm fine with an art section so long as it's showing unique art where there's something to talk about.

2 hours ago, Drunken_Flower said:

those goddamn games not working reports aint even look in the bug/issues section first, heck they aint even post questions in the right place.

XD yeah another reason why I'm glad the site's homepage was changed. Since the feed would just fill up with single word replies like "where do i download touhou 6 why is it an exe omg!? what the heck is thcrap where's the english patch!??!?!" lol

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In my experience the activity feed was nothing but "___ changed their profile picture", even with active threads. 

I've got the activity feed as mt phone homepage so i remember to check is every so often.

I'd love to see the forum moving again, unfortunately im short on time and motivation for hearding cats. Between job hunting, coding, and twitch its all a bit much. That being said if theres something specific i can help with do let me know.

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Kind of sad that this died off so quick, but still . . . 

I was thinking about starting another Remix Tournament soon . . . but I kind of want to see if anyone else would like to host, as I would like to be a normal participant again at some point.

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23 minutes ago, jssf1992 said:

Kind of sad that this died off so quick, but still . . . 

I was thinking about starting another Remix Tournament soon . . . but I kind of want to see if anyone else would like to host, as I would like to be a normal participant again at some point.

I could do it.

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3 hours ago, buskerdog said:

I could do it.

YOOOO BUSKERDOG REMIX TOURNAMENT LET'S GOOOO

*ahem*

Anyways, I've only now just searched up "busker" and found it means "a person who performs music or other entertainment in the street or another public place for monetary donations". So I guess that was foreshadowing to your role of hosting a Remix Tournament. That and, I've gained a newfound appreciation to your Reimu profile picture considering how her shrine oftentimes asks for "monetary donations".

No idea what the dog would stand for. Maybe Aunn? Or maybe like the hip "dawg" buddy talk like "what's up busker dawg". Or maybe this next Remix Tournament will just have a dog theme, I don't know.

My name doesn't really have that much meaning behind it. Like, army unit of the creek in the french?

Anyways, I'd be cool with joining whenever it happens.

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9 hours ago, jssf1992 said:

Kind of sad that this died off so quick, but still . . .

I don't know that it died off. The discussion was had, and suggestions were made both here and in new thread Maden made (likely in response to this one). Ultimately it's a question of what you had hoped for from the discussion. The shrine has gotten busier, and I assume it's only a matter of time before something happens. Garison has been doing an admirable job of trying out discussion topics to see what sticks; if one of them picks up enough of a following, we'll know where to go from there.

On that note, maybe we should be looking into a Rivals of Aether tournament?

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Oh, and on the subject of tournament hosting: Should we set up a rotation? Provided I still get to be a regular attendee most of the time, I'd be happy to occasionally take on the host role to give others the chance to participate normally. I don't know how many others would be interested, but considering we've only had four and half so far, we'd probably be fine even if it was just the three of us.

I don't know that I'd want to do tournaments in general too frequently, though; they tend to eat a lot of time, and even though they're a lot of fun, I'd be worried of getting fatigued. The spacing between RT3 and RT4 was about perfect for me (that being the time between the last comments of the former and the first announcement of the latter), though obviously its a rather vague situational thing to begin with. I'll still try to be here regardless.

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