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Touhou and mature content - the conclusion


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Looks like this has turned into a trilogy (lol). Finally, a conclusion after two threads and a port to r/touhou. This time, in order to bring multiple points of view, therefore presenting the view of the Touhou community itself on such issues like mature content, I will present their answers the very way they were posted. There have been more than 200 comments, but I will most likely pick the ones that are actually pertinent and fir the topic at hand. In some points, if the opinion is interesting, I will probably add my own comments. But before that, my personal conclusion to the Touhou fans that have shown to be extremely horny and depraved from their very nature:


"No anon, your waifu doesn't love you or as you go out with her, or go into any sort of romantic confession to a complete foreigner. No anon, your waifu will not allow or want you touch her in inappropriate places. No anon, your waifu will not beg you have sex with her"

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Credit for this image: https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/qpy018/satori_reads_your_mind_parody_of_fusus_work/

People are generally horny, Touhou fans included. Which might explain the hundreds of videos from past 6 months that go into horny, cookie-cutter format and use cropped hentai or Fusu images for thumbnail. "Touhou /x character fans be like". As for Fusu himself, I guess the dislike for his art might also be reinforced, like others pointed out, about how his art switched in the past months from the confession type (the ones posted on this subreddit last year) + "sexy times" (badically part 2 of the confession images) to just the latter. If one has the "keep out R18 content" filters activated, they will not be aware of that entire side of the author. But if you go to somewhere like Danbooru, you will see. And oh boy, at least 10 continuous pages of hentai (which also has amorous confessions) followed by starting to see again the (safe for work) art + "part 2" really is an experience...

 

With this part solved, now on with the actual comments:

 

  • 99% of Touhou characters are made up of girls. And it is a very popular franchise amongst male gamers. Put 2 and 2 together and... well, this is the result.
     
  • For me, I've never really looked up hentai artwork of my favorite characters before. When I like a character, it's the personality that comes into mind, not appearance. Sex is popular in general. "Chastity is the greatest form of perversion." - A certain sexologist. I highly agree with that quote because people should not be ashamed or be shamed for liking sex. It's part of our nature. People who hate sex most likely have a sex disorder anyway and they don't even know it's an illness... Anyway, moving on. I think Touhou H artworks are so popular because of... copyright in Japan?... ZUN was more open about people using his content to make other content, like how Fair Use law works in the West. Creators like ZUN, whose works became hugely popular are rare. I'm sure most Japanese artists wouldn't want to to touch other series in fear of getting sued the shit out of them-- that's how obsolete Japanese copyright laws are; they don't recognize Fair Use.

 

  1. TL; DR
  2. It's the popularity. The real thing here is "why do fanworks turn to smut so often?" and I offer no explanation for it. It's just an old known phenomenon.
  3. Most damningly, given the actual thing above, Touhou actually has less mature content than most other popular series, as measured by me, right now, looking at Pixiv post counts: The procedure for all the data below is the same: I took the 10 most popular "copyright" tags at danbooru.us to get a list of "what's popular in the West". Then I went to pixiv.net and searched the main tag for each series, and then redid the search adding the term "R-18", which is the Japanese code for "mature work". I took note of the search results and calculated the "mature ratio" for each series. Touhou has the second smallest ratio, with only Vocaloid having less mature content.
     

Series

Posts

R-18 Posts

Mature Works %

 

FGO

500.746

66.294

13.23%

 

東方 (Touhou)

2.449.831

192.275

7.84%

 

アイドルマスター (Idolmaster)

262.369

113.030

43.08%

 

艦これ (Kantai Collection)

850.150

120.100

14.12%

 

ホロライブ (Hololive)

244.879

25.884

10.57%

 

VOCALOID

505.964

19.545

3.86%

 

ポケモン (Pokémon)

823.234

120.454

14.63%

 

原神 (Genshin Impact)

243.892

52.579

21.56%

 

アズールレーン (Azur Lane)

192.314

50.300

26.15%

 

アークナイツ (Arknights)

155.213

17.391

11.20%

 

So, the whole point of this essay is moot. Touhou is NOT "so popular in terms of mature content". People want to lewd idols, battleships and genderbent historical figures more than the youkai.
 

Count's comment: Honestly, I am quite impressed. Especially about the fact the person making the comment has gone through all this just to make the analysis. Thank you for the clarification on that side, as I always had the impression the numbers are much higher then in reality. It is still interesting though why Touhou is discussed so often for its adult works by those outside the community despite the fact, like you said, that it has much less compared to other big series. All I can do right now is appreciate the effort you have gone through for that results.

 

  • Really it's all about doujin culture. People make stuff they like, and sell it to basically spread it. I remember reading that in the 90s that Castlevania doujinshi that focused on the female monsters became the inspiration for the monster musume genre that emerged in the 2000s. Basically anything that can be sexualized(or at least made into moe characters and then sexualized) can be. WWII warships? Kantai Collection. 70s mecha anime? Robot girls Z. Regular animals? Kemono Friends. You can find adult doujinshi for all those. I've been to Comiket 3 times, and found a lot of stuff that blew my mind. I saw a Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles BL book(BL meaning Boy's love, basically male homosexual relationships aimed toward female readers. This is distinct from bara/gay manga that are for homosexual men). The proportions of adult to general audience books are around 60-40 depending on the particular title, and I didn't notice what got more adult or general over the other too much. You can't get rid of one without basically halving the number of titles available. And further more for the sex ratio for adult parody doujinshi the proportion that were women were around a fourth to a third. Add to that the nearly female only BL area and Comiket is a mostly female event. As to how accepting the Japanese can be of adult material, yeah, that's foreign to you. Japan's opinion on free expression is a strange mix of European and American attitudes, that has genitals partially covered but the actual sexual material can get very wild. Not to mention that a large female cast can attract a lot of people for different things, be it chaste or sexual. In the world of doujin any number of stories can be told with these characters that people have affection for. Essentially for stories Japanese just make them. Now they do have concerns about various consequences from their stories, but they don't try to censor themselves if what they make won't gather a hate mob to harass them. As to people making secondary works that are sexual, that's the doujin artists and not ZUN. And if people still don't like it then I don't really care because people like that are difficult to interact with I first really got into Touhou from erodoujinshi, basically I downloaded a pack of them and read it, and wondered about these characters and the world they lived in. I got into the games and basically bought them. I picked up 8 of the games while I was living in japan as to basically have a show of support for the series. I bought a lot of doujinshi, both adult and general audience, over there as well. I really don't follow the community here. To be honest most of the posts I see don't interest me, I usually just upvote art that I like. If there's an influx of newbies then I haven't noticed. And if they don't care for adult content, then fine they don't have to interact with it. If they still think poorly of Touhou after that, then whatever, I don't care.

 

  • That's a really interesting read. I want to say that Touhou in Japan for a long time is the largest fandom in doujin world. It's always in the top 3 only sometime lose to Kancolle, FGO, or Idol Master. The reason there's alot of erodoujin it's probably because there is alot of touhou doujin in the first place. Also Touhou is really old and sold as a doujin in the first place, ZUN also give freedom to write his character in doujin as long as there is no spoiler to the ending. This could be another reason why it's easier to write an ero doujin knowing that the creator give consent to write it. Also while I doubt Touhou is this big because ero content alone it's still a big part why it's still relevant to this day. Touhou is still big because doujin and most sold doujin is ero content. If you read some old SFW Touhou doujin there some who change to draw r-18 in recent doujin. Reason is there more people want NSFW rather SFW. Of course the doujin music is another big part why Touhou still relevant today. I do think NSFW doujin and doujin music is both the biggest part why Touhou is big so I do understand why in the second discussion OP post why some people think it's weird that some people genuinely hate over-sexualisation of Touhou characters. I do hope if people hate it they just ignore it or just block the artist rather than mock, bashing or something worse to the artist. And for OP second question "Why is R18 art so appealing?" honestly I never think of it. I just took it for granted that R-18 stuff is appealing. I just think some art is erotic and that's it. I can explain why it's erotic, but why it's appealing I don't know. I guest society already make it's the norm and most people never question it. If you raise in a religious house hold or something similar you probably think R-18 stuff is unappealing. Finally I want to say the faceless thing is something you will see a lot in doujinshi especially if the doujin involve having romantic relationship with the girl. This is not only in NSFW doujin but SFW doujin as well. The faceless man is to make it easier for reader to self insert as. Japan is really big in creating self insert story for some reason, maybe it's escapism but it's something not exclusive for Touhou. This also the reason why isekai and other self fulfilling story have the same generic black hair protagonist. Also apply to POV stories as well.


Count's comment (this went on as an actual discussion): 

"If you raise in a religious house hold or something similar you probably think R-18 stuff is unappealing."

This one hits quite close to home for me. I was not brought up in exactly the most religious of families, but they still had religious views in accordance to our Greek Orthodox view (I think I may have pointed sometime in the past that I hail from Romania, a country that still has deeply rooted religious and traditionally conservative views). Anything R-18 was pretty much received as a sin, and something one should stay as far as possible from, and even mentioning the topic was/still is very much a taboo. In school, religious education is a thing, and anatomy classes, despite having an entire dedicated chapter for sexual education and reproduction, completely avoid the topic (my teacher literally skipped that whole course-book chapter). Combining these elements of upbringing, one gets to the age of 20 and still feeling a strong sense of guilt even for seeing the slightest but of NSFW materials, who is very confused about these sort of materials, and pretty much way too shy to speak up even to his parents looking for advice (last time I tried, it did not not end very well, and ever since I never brought up the subject ever again). Not to say that never having been in a relationship makes you pretty much have a lot of unanswered questions.

 

  • Thanks as well for the thread OP, I also come from a country with deeply rooted religious views (Indonesia) and R-18 is also treat it as taboo or sin so I can kinda see why you think like that. It's just my friend circle is a manga/anime fan as well so while not all of them ok with stuff like that most of them are not repulsive to R-18 stuff. I do though sometime meet someone like you who is not fine with R-18 stuff it's just not in Touhou fandom or any Japanese media. Though I do hope if you don't like stuff like this you just ignore it as most artist is pretty good in either hide their NSFW stuff or give warning that they do NSFW stuff.


Count's comment: Here is the thing. Due to my early upbringing, I used to hate them almost mechanically, without actually thinking why I hate the. Now, when I started to think more by myself, I started to question if I actually have a dislike for such content. Nowadays, i would probably say that there are a few things I might actually say I appreciate. Especially when R-18 does not only mean porn, but also anything which includes artistic nudity in non-sexual connotations at all. An artistic nude in good taste is something I actually do appreciate, even if I might feel too shy to accept it. It's still something I would rather keep for myself though. I do have a few things I appreciate when it comes to this sort of art, especially if the artist is good. In the final part of the OP, I did talk a bit about how my mind changed following the discovery of Danbooru, going for complete intolerance of such art to accepting a number of things based on a few personal tastes. Just because an artist also draws NSFW stuff, it really does not diminish their value as artists. Actually, if their stuff is good enough, I might actually keep it in count next time I check again that artist.

 

  • I do understand that like even some of the most obscene stuff I seen I can apreciate it either by the creativity or the quality of the art. I especially like it if their work has a distinctive artstyle and I can know who the artist is with just a glance of their work like Zounose, Yassy, or Frogsnake. The last two while drawing some of the most obscene and NSFW stuff I ever seen they draw it in a way that I never see other artist do and also create a story that is unique to them and I like them for it. Some NSFW artist also draw good SFW work, like the author of Mamange doujin who while drawing R-18 Youmu x Reisen doujin also draw a wholesome doujin about Reisen raising the rest Eientei girl as a kid. Personally this is why I love Touhou, I don't know any media who have this much variety in fan content as much as Touhou ranging from really obscene stuff that I can never show to my friend to really wholesome stuff that everyone can apreciate it. There something for everyone and I love Touhou for this.

 

  • I would consider myself a regular consumer of touhou porn. Whenever I feel like I got nothing to do, I'd get an urge to go jack off to some porn. So what I'd usually do is pull out my phone, go to rule 34 or danbooru and type in the name of a touhou character; usually reimu or marisa gets entered into the search bar and occasionally sanae or sakuya gets typed in, when I'm feeling extra horny on a particular day. The reason why I choose to look up touhou porn in particular, over other types of erotic content, is mostly because I am already familiar with the characters. Because of this familiarity, it makes searching for porn much more convenient for me. The familiarity I have with the characters isn't built from the official games at all; it's mostly built on top of non-official works. For example, while playing lost word, I found out that reimu, marisa and sanae fit into the category of girls that I'm into. In other words, I found out through consuming fan works that they're 'my type'. Both in terms of personality and looks. Then, those two characters would stay in the back of my mind. As I get to know more about the fandom, the stronger the characters' presence in my head. Then, when I sit down to jack off, they're the ones that come to mind first. You know how your youtube recommended section is filled with videos you've watched before? When it comes to choosing a search term for rule34, the names of touhou characters shows up in my head's 'recommended' section. Since they're the ones that come to mind first, that's what I'll look up. It then becomes a cycle. From the first moment I looked up reimu's name on rule34, I was hooked on touhou porn. I liked what I saw, so I looked up the names of more touhou characters. As I continued to consume, the more 'stuck' I became in touhou porn. It took me quite a bit of introspection to write this: if it weren't for this post, I wouldn't be questioning my porn consumption habits.


Count's comment: reading this again, it sounded an awful lot like copypasta. Reading again the ending, it makes me feel it is not 100% copypasta, but maybe 99%. Anyway, an insight I guess...

 

  • "don't draw them minor-looking; it feels wrong (also probably related to a recent preference for older/more mature characters)". Just so you know, the majority of the cast, including Reimu and Marisa, are canonically LOLIS. Cute and funny lolis. Please stop trying to force artists to draw off-model renditions of 2hus just because you can't handle the cunny.
  • You spoke the truth and they hid your comment. Cowardice.
  • Redditors fear the truth. That's why they feed each other regurgitated opinions in their echo chamber subreddits all day long


Count's comment: ok...? WTF did I just read? Thy killed him because he said the truth

 

  •  I read the half of your post, must say you did a good research about characters popularity in mature content. I have seen ton of high effort sfw and nsfw art since I browsed the internet and dived into that rabbit hole in the past.

 

  • No offense way to much for me to read. But my biggest thoughts in the quantity of touhou erotica is likely due to Zun’s extremely hands off stance on what the community is allowed to do. When you mix that with the idea that most of the community is both free to and actively gaining new members because if said erotic content. It makes sense that it’d create an indefinite cycle. I for one know that it was the music that got me into the series. But I can’t deny the erotica had a large impact. Anyway thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

 

  • Also, I completely agree on the part where you make a distinction between nude art and porn, the intention of the artist are what define the type of work they make and their audience. If i could draw i would definitely draw a couple of nude or just half nude touhous, but that wouldn't be for erotic purposes, i just like the woman anatomy (except some parts, especially the low one...) and i would not add those artwork to my gallery or portfolio because i know for sure that a lot of people would misunderstand or just not understand my intentions behind it, and i care about this, i am jealous of that i make it it still would tilt me if people used my work for wanking. I am glad that someone sees it about the same way as me.
     

Count's comment (downvoted to absolute 0): I think this is a very important distinction to be made, especially since there are people who put those two in the same pot, without thinking there's any difference. I personally find it much easier to enjoy an artistic nude done in good taste (as much as there cam be) then a piece of porn. Also pretty much the same when it comes to the gallery/portfolio part.

 

  • Well for one thing I'm japanese and so I know quite a but about like japanese culture. I went to a Japnese secondary school until Middle school 2nd year and visited Japan and am basically a Japanese person, even though i was born in america. And so anyway with that out of the way, I didn't really read the whole post but i have a general idea of what you're saying. In Japan it's pretty common for kids to be like really perverted, but I suppose it's that way in a lot of places. And I guess some people just don't grow up, and kinda just hide their extreme pervertedness and kinda shelter themselves from society, and no shade to Touhou fandom but I'm pretty sure thats what a lot of the Touhou fanbase in Japan that cares like you know a lot about the characters they have all this time on their hands so they draw Touhou hentai lol. But, that's just my perspective as a japanese-american who basically grew up as a japanese kid.

 

  • Spoiler

    You see, the answer is actually quite simple. I LOVE TITS AND ASS

 

  • This is a popular series that has been carried by the numerous amount of fan work and is populated almost exclusively by various designs of female characters... And you question the possibility of the creation of R18 art and stories? Apologies, but to me that feels like handing a man a loaf of bread and ingredients and questioning why he made sandwiches. Your research is incredible and I value all of your efforts. I do not wish to demean your extensive research, however sometimes you just need to return to a root cause of why any R18 art or story happens in the first place. People get lonely and horny. When this happens, if they have a modicum of creative talent, they will do everything to make their lives less tragically empty by creating these pieces to satiate their inane and primal desires. Is a lot of it wrong and unfounded in the grand scheme of things? Yes! Without a doubt. Will it ever stop? Sadly no. Sometimes people never break up with their own fantasies. Your essay is worthy of a thesis, my friend. You've gone farther into the Lunar rabbithole than any man, woman, or what have you would even dare to fathom. In your search, you may have lost sight of a very simple answer, and that is that people have desires and will find ways to fulfill them. I thank you for your time and research, and I wish you a wonderful rest of your day.

 

  • I skimmed through the entire post so I may have potentially missed someone mentioning this but my opinion is that it's based on three things.

    1. Characters are generously clothed originally than most franchises and that's why it's more appealing. It reminds me of how Japan fetishized "Absolute territory" because the thought of seeing that smaller area of skin compared to seeing knee or ankle length socks is more arousing. For the 2hu equivalent, Reimu's armpits come to mind. I'd say this is the reason why full blown hentai games in this era aren't seeing as much fanart. When all the characters are already R18-fied, what's there more to draw? Dohna Dohna, Kuroinu are some of the good art H-media that comes to mind but you don't see that many fanart of them whether it be SFW or NSFW. Now I know someone might reply to me with Fate series being hentai visual novel too but they are still massively popular in doujins and you're correct but let me get to my other points too.

    2. It's the fact that the (older) original drawings are quite bad that draws more artists to it. Think about it from an artist perspective. You just saw this badly drawn art and you know that no matter how or what style you draw the art of this same character in, you know you will easily top it. This allows for a wide spread of variety where you won't have most fans disagreeing with your art for "not drawing the character properly" unlike some people on Genshin Twitter for drawing the characters a smidge too tall/short or god forbid change their cup sizes. Thus artistic freedom is introduced but it doesn't just end there. This huge gap in artstyle (especially if its really good) plays on the natural human instinct of liking things that make you go "Woah that looks SOOO different than the original" trope. It's the reason why a nerd girl becoming sexy is popular. The reason why One Punch Man after reading its redrawn just makes you feel so good. And the reason why Sanic or Uganda Knuckles is so popular (though in its case, it's the reverse where it went from good to bad). But while something going from good to bad art makes its so much more memeable (Gyate Gyate, Yukkuri, etc) it's not exactly fappable. Bad to good however is. This now brings us to Fate again because this applies to the older Fate H games because despite the game being H, it has an arguably bad art with multiple characters sharing very similar facial features.

    3. So OK we got the two main ingredients on why 2hu loods are popular. But why 2hu specifically? Why isn't a random Deviant artist taking off despite them fulfilling the first two criteria with their "Do not steal OCs?" It's the freedom that ZUN gives the artists and this is also mentioned by many already. But more importantly, its how popular it has become as well. Touhou has been here for a REALLY long time for as long as the Internet took off and it had the ability to cement itself and give itself a head-start popularity over other newer franchises. This leads into another human psyche where humans are generally attracted to popularity. Why does a few seconds of celebrity nude pic/vid leaks garnering so much more attention than full on sex pornstars? Popularity. The thought of a popular celebrity doing something lood excites many people no matter how tame it is compared to the other pre-existing loods.

    Anyway there are obviously many more variables but I think these three are the main contributors.

    Very SFW designs = More incentive to lood them.

    Badly drawn originals = More incentive to draw in artists.

    Game is already popular enough along with the birth of the internet allowing it to attract newer fans and artist who later stay for points 1 and 2.

 

  • I think most people that read Touhou porn are not Touhou fans. There’s a big misconception in the anime circles that read a lot of hentai doujins that “Touhou is a hentai franchise” or whatever. I think this is just a case of people who don’t know Touhou, looking at fanart of Touhou, thinking they’re hot, then drawing hentai of them for an audience that usually are in it for the porn & not in it for the characters. The fact that Touhou is actually really big in Japan in terms of “doujin culture” for a VERY long time explains why there’s a lot of hentai doujinshis of it. It’s really not that deep. It’s just ppl that like hentai reading a bunch of hentai. And a bunch of independent artists seeing a popular franchise that allows you to easily create & sell fanworks of, making porn of that franchise for profit over the literal decades Touhou has been a popular & well-known cultural icon in Japanese Otaku culture. Touhou is just really popular in Japan. There’s a lot of fanworks based off of it which can be easily sold. Its got a bunch of female characters. Of course there’s gonna be a lot of porn based off of it.


Count's comment: As for the "Touhou is a hentai franchise" part, I actually remember meeting people who had no idea what the series really is about saying that, probably based on some random lewd fanart seeing online with the "Touhou" tag strapped to it. I guess it's just people only scratching surface level and not really going to actually see what the franchise is about.

 

  • Alright i'll try to answer you bit by bit, for "scientific" purpose ("scientific" guys c'mon)

"Why is Touhou so prolific when it comes to R18 materials?" - already answered in the comments above (absolute freedom of expression given to the artists)

You answer it yourself, it's simple really because they're allowed to, same with making porn out of real life character, you have to ask their consent about it ( if you know about the drama with Shadman and Keemstar's daughter, that's how not to do porno contents ). ZUN gave the pass so people just do it. Now, for the second question, hopefully better formulated this time: Why is R18 art so appealing? What is the thing that makes people like seeing their favorite characters in compromising poses, or having intercourse with a strange, faceless man? The faceless man is usually one of those things I found freaky. Why? Because one explanation for why people are usually faceless in such images/manga in the following: in order to make self-inserting possible. Basically, the idea is for you to be able to imagine yourself being the one making love with your favorite character. I can accept wholesome, consensual acts being depicted (I don't care if it's straight or yuri as long as there is some common sense), but at least please give those men some faces. It's the fetish and fantasy aspect, the simple describing i can give you is this, ever felt like when you hit puberty you look at a girl and be like "I wanna do wholesome thing to her like hugging and holding hand" but the thought of wanting to see her "naked and freaky" also exist? Yeah that's why. As for the need of the man in that fantasy to have a face, it doesn't have to, after all it's the fantasy and people tend to not want to self-insert them into those fantasy/fetish ( because they're aware it's weird, can you walk into a guy face and say "I want to fuck Reimu's armpit" unironically? Yep) they can just imagine the faceless guy is them.


Now for the specific girl part:

  1. "Sanae did get some sort of "fanservice" reputation in the fandom, and I do not understand the reason why. Many people I ask refer to her as "Reimu, but fanservice", "Reimu, but with boobs" or simply as "doujin fam". Did this come to be just because of one doujin in which Sanae is called a "good girl"? Even the wiki mentions that doujin when referring to her fanon material."

That but also in the canon, Sanae is from the Outside World (equivalent to our real life) before moving into Gensokyo with Suwako and Kanako so Sanae is like the closest you can get to a girl who live in a modern society like us. And this allow artist to depict her more freely, not just limited to the miko attire.
 

  1. "I am not very sure how Eirin got so high on her spot, even if it is just percentage-wise. Maybe he fact she might be as old as the world and her more womanly look have been a factor to ensure people they will not just end up drawing CP? (it is not like like Eirin is usually placed in the "old ladies club" of Gensokyo)"

Memorable fight also lorewise she's the old and wise one (Brain of the Moon after all) help cater to people with older ladies taste couple with being a doctor (cater to the nurse/doctor outfit fetish too)
 

  1. Byakuren is interesting. I can imagine that her biker outfit from the fighters was a boost to this, but I am not sure how far you can actually go from that towards proper R-18 material.

Yes the tight biker suit is why, also she has pretty signature hair and that's that. I also have one theory is that there're fetish that like to break stoic/righteous girl to debauchery giving that Byakuren is devoted to Bhuddism this could be the case.
 

  1. Reisen is probably another one of the more (in)famous cases. I know she is a bunny girl and all, therefore fanservice and smut fuel. An for further reference, I even did get a bit into the famous "Drunkards in Eintei" doujin, from where we got the famous "I'm just a useless little bunny, only good for my sex appeal", in order to see what gave people the decision to feature her so much in smut. It is funny how one simple line in a doujin just encouraged the tendency of having Reisen featured in H-doujins and art.

Bunny girl + vest + skirt, do i need to say more, that's one hell of a combination, the possibilities bruddah.
 

  1. About Ran Yakumo, I am not very sure what to say. Probably association with Kitsune usually shaping as attractive women? Also the fanon meme of the "suppatenko" (exhibitionist Ran) or something...

Fox girls and also she has Chen as her shikigami so it's open up to express her motherly trait in fanfiction (and sure as hell people love it, Fia in Elden Ring if you wanna know)
 

  1. Yorihime & Toyohime - I am honestly amazed they even get H-material, given how unpopular they are in the fandom. Maybe it is more about revenge stuff (not gonna mention the r-word) and that 1% made out of Fusu art (gonna get there soon)?

Canonically they have children and is overqualified as MILF (do i need to say more?)

 

  1. Patchouli - probably coming from an interesting concept we, humans, have created - "the forbidden fruit". In this case, the principle is simple: the more clothes a character has on, covering everything, the greater the desire to see them without those clothes. This principle might work on all 2hus, given how much ZUN likes covering them with as much clothing as possible. And since Patchouli has all those robes on her...it becomes obvious. Is this how it works, or logic leaves me on this one?

You're correct but it also has to do with reserved/bookworm girl tend to held back their sexual urge or feelings (nerd girl i think idk) matching both appearance and personality. There's also this trope of Asschouli but idk.

 

  1. Yuugi - really not sure what to say on her. Big buff woman, I guess?

Muscle mommy, period.

 

  1. Yukari - the reasons seem to be obvious. However, I cannot really come up with them right now. A bit of help?

Besides her "hag" status, her ability to manipulate border meaning you can get really creative with her in your fantasy, also her fight is memorable in 7.

 

  1. Sakuya - a bit and not so surprising at the same time to be in the category of characters with so much "saucy" works around her. How did this come to be? Is i a mutation of the pads meme? The only one such work I know is the one about Sakuya getting stuck through a wall (typical H-trope from what I can see - how do people even manage to get half stuck into something, especially a wall?) and people doing...stuff to her.

She's a maid (maid fetish) and she's a direct reference to Jojo (specifically Dio), also has one the most memorable remix (Night of Night) which boost her popularity even more.

 

  1. Aya(yayaya) - look who fate has turned on... The one character fans tend to portray as a pervert taking panty shots has become victim herself of perversion (I am totally not paid by Hatate to say this). Anyway, interesting to see her placed so high on the top. Guess protagonist + nice design + already established fanon?

She has a bit of monster girl design (wings), also people love to have a waifu who is also a bit of a troublemaker (in a harmless way of course)

 

  1. I will place Iku and Raiko together, since what I am going to say is mostly identical. None of them is very popular in terms of character. However, it is truly a surprise to see them ranking so high in terms of percent compared to other characters. They are also in my list of favorite characters, and so got my attention. I guess Raiko still has the fact she is a redhead going for her to motivate such "artistic" works.

My take is that Iku relationship with Tenshi in the canon has that sort of like a "guardian" so people can express trait of caring and motherly for her. As for Raiko, she's the few of the girl in the series with modern depiction so it's interesting to see it at least.

 

  1. Keine - seriously, what can I say about her? I really have no idea.

Memorable EX-boss fight and i guess people like girl who has multiple forms? (yeah i'm like you on this one bud)

 

  1. Yuuka - oh yeah. Also huh, another one of the 2hus from my personal top 10 favorites. I guess her fanon depiction has become fuel for some fetishes, and so a lot of fanservice? From what I have seen on Danbooru, most of her NSFW material tends to go from 0 to 100 real quick. From very mild, to very much not suitable for life and "this is such a bad day to have eyes".

I faintly remember one of the quote about her in canon is her eyes are scary and from that one some people give her the trait of the sadistic so that's why you can see material about her ranging from very tame to very ouchy.

 

  • Therapeutic vs Influential. Views on fiction concerning if consumers are influenced or if it's a form of therapy seems to be case nobody talks about especially that I observed the new generation mostly from the west (my observation) thinks all fiction is influential. Well, we do learn important lessons from novels, movies and games and what not, it's also important to know that fiction is therapeutic. When I was kid, I was curious what a pregnant lady would look like when her belly was cut clean in half and I could see what's inside, what are the flesh walls that disconnects from a woman's belly and the fetus (I know, very horrible morbid curiosity) but I didn't became a criminal because my parent's disciplined me right and I played GTA San Andreas; curiosity solved when I hacked a preggy lady with a katana. It's important to know that humans especially when they grow up would start to want something we never have or do something we never did, even if it's illegal, immoral, or even impossible, and we would find all the ways possible to satisfy it. It's just that we found out performing these things through drawings is the most harmless way possible. I guess compared to the Western entertainment industry (though I'm not against it, There are really good therapeutic western shows too), Asian animation industry understood that crave especially in Japan which is filled with the practice of Honor and strict discipline, decided to satisfy those craves through a nigh boundless exploration of free writing anime (which in these times, most are now called trash). I am not against the Influential theory either, it is true that there are people being influenced by fiction and commit crimes, when it comes down to it, it really just depends on the person if shows are therapeutic or influential, and we can't really do anything about cause if censorship wins fiction, crimes would be coming from the ones need therapy and if freedom of writing isn't categorizing it to tags and age restrictions, then most crimes would come from the influenced. Yes this is definitely related 2hu porn.

 

  • I think the answer to some of your questions would simply be sum up in 1 word: doujinshi. Doujinshi scene in Japan is kind of one-of-a-kind, since the word itself basically means "publishing for people with the same interests", it's no surprise how popular the doujinshi scene is in Japan. With this, it led to a booming number of amateur/self-published works to flood the market, especially in case of Touhou which is a very old fandom in terms of a franchise. Since doujinshi itself is semi-protected by law (you can sell doujinshi for profits without any authorization, though of course still need to follow censorship law, unless it's mass produced or published by a bigger company), a lot of new artists make doujin to promote their works to a bigger audience. And there's no better place to "make it big" than jumping in an already established group like Touhou. That's why even till now Touhou is still sustaining itself with new works every day. Touhou even has its own Comiket with Touhou-only works so no surprise a lot of those works are later reposted to the Internet. For why "p0rn" seems to be popular, well, as you already said, "sex sells". Sex is one of human basic instinct that will probably be with us forever no matter how "evolved" we are. Human is one of the few species that do sexual acts for pleasure and not just for reproduction after all. In thise case, again, Japan is kinda unique here. In its history, there were famous Japanese artists who produced "adult" paintings before the "manga" term is born. The Japanese people themselves have somewhat unique view when it comes to sex unlike other Asian counterparts. Even now its sex industry is still thriving and even legalized so that's no surprise why sex sells, especially in Japan. As a fun trivia, a lot of franchises or works started as "adult games" (H-Visual Novel, like the Fate franchise for example). Regarding why Japan artists produce what you may call more "explicit" type of porn, we will have to go back to a lot of history which I can't recap (like how the lolicon culture become so popular in Japan) you may need to do your own research since they're, well, not so suitable on Reddit. But to sum it up I would say the reasons are the non-censorship approach from the government (they do have "soft" censorship requirements, but as long as you meet those reqs, you can do whatever), the influence from other culture (like BDSM/gore) and the fact that Japanese don't really go out of their way to criticize others for their fetishes and even normalize some of them.

 

  • Touhou does not have any more R-18 fanworks than any other series, proportionally. You have looked at the percentage of R-18 fanart on pixiv touhou characters have, but have you compared them to characters from other franchises? Last I checked girls like Tifa or Samus had 40% R-18 content or something. Touhou has an overall average amount of porn among all fan content, there just is A LOT of fan content.

 

  • Imma real with you OP, this subreddit isn't English Literature/Humanities class so idk why you're writing a thesis paper here 💀💀💀 To answer your question; this fandom is one of the cornerstone of otaku culture and has some of the ingredients of why it became so popular in the first place: It's been a thing since the early 2000's; 99% of the characters are anime girls with ZUN's unique style; there's variety for the type of anime girl that is waifu-able; you want a shrine maiden? a confident witch? a god complex fairy? a loyal maid? lots of possible yuri shipping? ZUN has you covered; also it helps that ZUN's policy to fanworks is lax so fanartists can go ham as much as they want. And for why the large amount of horni fanarts and doujins; this is human psychology we're talking about. Do you need to ask why? That's like asking why the sky is blue, birds fly, or why the Queen of UK still lives - they just do. It's a fact of life. My impression with you is that you're bothered with the amount of adult works for a franchise that isn't fanservice-heavy and you're in denial or finding some way to validate your conflicting feelings. Or at least that's what the first 3 paragraphs suggests. Personally, I LOVE the lewd content of a fandom - for me its a sign that the fandom is thriving and healthy. And more Yuuka fanarts, lewd or otherwise, the better for little ol' me. So yeah, next time maybe it'll help if you trim your post to like 3-4 paragraphs cuz that's honestly what the average redditor's attention span can read until they're bored of it and look for tldr or just skip the post. You do remind me of a friend of mine who is diagnosed with Autism or on its spectrum and he's very verbose for fear of "not getting the point across" if he does it short. Are you on the spectrum yourself OP? Edit: Okay I skimmed some of the post and comments; just to clarify that I am not into loli porn and I do not approve sexualization of them in case you're magnifying the "I love lewd content" line I said, and I want to say that OP please don't be offended if the tone of my comment seems to have no punches pulled but I just find it amusing that you're taking this topic way too seriously.


Count's comment: more of a personal one this time - I may have (by imply) have been called an autist, but I guess this is the internet. If you can't take a joke, you have no plave on the internet (and maybe I am an autist - I never checked myself out to a doctor). I am not offended. I really do not have why to be so. This text could indeed be much shorter, but I felt I had quite a lot of things to get out of my chest. Everyone can like whatever they want, as long as it doesn't affect others irl.

 

  • Thank you for making this! I've really wondered about this for a long time (ever since I've been a fan) and now have a more concrete answer. Honestly I couldn't care less if people like NSFW content but the fact in so many places degenerative behaviour is accepted and some of the more questionable content is talked a lot about I've always felt somewhat uncomfortable, especially when seeing gross / dehumanizing art of the characters. I think that some of the rampant degeneracy might be due in part that touhou is bordering on the line of anime as a niche series, to the point lots of fans / people on the outside of the fandom consider it anime, and so some of that degenerate / NSFW behaviour gets pulled in, but that is less solid fact and more what I think. I know people are gonna be perverts and stuff, it just always weirded me out as a fan of touhou purely for NSFW. I'm still not gonna shame anyone or anything like that for it, just wish the horny would be toned down a bit in more general places. Regardless, thanks for taking the time to talk! It's been an interesting read on something that doesn't get recorded with solid evidence / talking points much.

 

  • To put it simply; it’s because the world is horny. Having almost all the of characters being girls + cool designs + popularity + free reign over the characters + the horniness of mankind makes Touhou a prime target for horny art

 

  • Because girls. Touhou is a series with a massive female roster with unique/attractive characters. Of course that's going to draw the attention of many people fans and non fans alike. And people imagine themselves either getting sexually or romantically involved with such characters. The characters are physically attractive and a lot have interesting personalities. It's the same case as real life romance, they can't help but to feel attracted. Even if 2D. The faceless stuff is, as you said, is for self insert stuff. (Even though I prefer girl shipping so I don't really read that stuff). But like...it's people just enjoying what they enjoy. What's the big deal? It doesn't really matter. Europeans prefer they're own stuff and so do Asians. I'm perfectly fine seeing a NFSW version of whatever character. It's to be expected.

 

  • Guys, don’t tell him about the 4chan posts, he’s scared enough. But on a serious note, one of the actual best ways to get into Touhou is to look at porn if it, mainly because of the sheer amount of fucking details they put into it. Plus most people who play touhou are: already into anime, or bullet hell games, have enough time to get into Touhou, and are most likely single. All of those things combined results in a lot of degenerative behaviour and hornyness. Question is, how much Touhou porn do you actively seek out. I’m assuming it’s not a lot and that might be because of the way you got introduced to the series.


Count's comment: What if I was neither into anime nor bullet hell games when I got into Touhou? On a serious note, I really did get to explore these two only after I found this franchise in itself. There was something about it feeling so unique, different from anything I was used to up to that point. And as I fell down the hole, I started exploring more and more, always getting into something I would have not thought to explore mere months before.

 

  • Most Touhou characters are cute and sassy, while ZUN always tries to double down in the "cute" part his art reads as a huge "do me fanart" for the japanese drawing community, who happen to have lots of male (I would have put young, but by this point after reading some comments of former navy men on stuff like Kancolle I decided a fox remains a fox his entire life). So yeah, a sassy and attractive young woman, what exactly did people expect?

 

  • If you really want to know why there is so much hentai, it's because the doujin side of Touhou is so free, leading to a bunch of people choosing that franchise to practice their art or gain recognition. Hentai is no exception, and because the designs are really free to interperet, they can put them into a hell of a lot of situations. A lot of popular manga artists have drawn one or two touhou doujins.

 

  • Holy hell, you could write a full novel. I'd say that an answer would be its anime-like art style combined with having nearly 200 characters to draw being fyu-hucked, most of which having different abilities allowing for people to draw different eye bleeders. I can and will stand by the opinion that if it exists, somebody has a fetish for it. Now why, in the world, does Eika have even a single R34 post? She's a damned child!

 

 

  • You and your questions are so weird. "Why are people so horny?" Is this question for real? "why do they sexualize children?" aren't children adorable? "why unreal proportions?" bigger is always better Also, I guess the artists make bank with +18 doujins, and it might be easier to just borrow the cuties from 2hu instead of designing an original character. Alice is so hot, like so damn hot. Since they're used to drawing erotic stuff, the art the produce during their free time might be lewd, out of habit, and because it farms tons of likes on twitter. I personally don't like this culture either, I prefer drawings of girls getting cute outfits boosting their allure, instead of nudity to lure horny people, but Alice's doujins are so good, so delicious.

Count's comment: big red flags in this comment, not gonna touch it with a 10 foot pole. All I can say right now is the following meme showing two utter extremes:

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  • I've chalked it up to 4 reasons:

1) Touhou has been around for a long enough time to cement itself as a prime doujinshi in the ero department
2) Due to Zun's leniency on copyright the abundancy of fanworks and doujin have grown to a community of talented ero artists
3) Variety: its got a lot of ero tags covered it has Cowgirls, Bunnygirls, Wolfgirls, Catgirls, Horns, Milfs, Lolis, Maids etc
4) Most people are looking for ero of franchises they don't know of to separate their ero waifus from their actual waifus as a result of touhou not being as known in the west its become the ideal option of creating ero without going through the effort of making a distinguished OC (at least that's my theory)
I am just wondering how trash taste haven't talked about a Touhou doujinshi yet. 


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Unrelated: ZUN discovering what the fandom has done with his characters

 

  • It's more than just the sexual fancontent in itself it's the narrative that it has. For example (and this is based on the memes) here's a situation where a lecherous Touhou fan, probably much older than most characters, suddenly ends up in front of the Hakurei shrine...

- Reimu: Young girl who is poor, isolated and lives alone (for the most part)
- Perv 2hu fan: Offers money to Reimu in exchange for armpit pics, foot rubs and even "favors" because they have no morals whatsoever. Maybe the fan will even ignore her objections to such offers and/or take advantage of her anyway because she lives at a distance from the village and no one will hear her suffering.

Reimu isn't real, sure, but a lot of girls live in the same conditions she does IRL and a situation like that could very well take place and that horrifies me which is why I find this aspect of fandoms in general unnerving—there are definitely fanbases far more toxic than Touhou's worst. It could very well be a reflection of just how desensitized people have become towards sex and how we turned our primal behavior (sex, violence, etc) into a commonplace theme. But that's just my personal take.


Count's comment:  Indeed, there seems to be some sort of desensitization to have taken place in the past few years. Not just with Touhou, but in general when it comes to the online medium at least. It is not like we live in a context in which people are becoming more and more horny for stuff, at least from like 2020 onwards. First we had Lady Dimitrescu (funny how a Romanian character became a waifu), then Samsung Sam and Akha (Zone). The newest frenzy is (or at least used to be) about the clown character from Ace Attorney (and "clussy"), while all artists went wild and drew the back of a V-tuber just because she turned her back to the people, and her dress had a big cleavage exposing a lot of skin. This whole thing is not just about Touhou, it happens with absolutely everything. However, I decided to focus it on Touhou because 1) this is a Touhou-centric community and 2) Touhou still holds the podium as series in terms of how passionate people are to create not-so-family-friendly content of the horny kind.

 

  • Spoiler

    I didn't read the entire post but that's what expected of a franchise that features entirely irresistible animesque women. You know there is going to be loads of porn of them. I get aroused when it comes to Touhou erotica and hentai. My fetishes range from suggestive and softcore such as the 2hus as good ol' classic T&As scantily clad in skimpy women's clothing like bikinis, lingerie and panties to lewd and hardcore like the 2hus are partially or fully nude and showing their tits and even pussies or getting laid by a faceless thin and unseen male since I like to imagine myself having sex with them. Just thinking about it is already turning me on. 🤤


    Count's comment: ok, we discovered the average 2022 Touhou fan 

 

  • I didn’t read the entire post, but i dont think it’s too surprising. As you develop relationships with people of the opposite sex, i think its probably natural to occasionally think about them in this manner. Though creepy and invasive, you could probably even make drawings to explore those thoughts. The difference here is twofold:

1) You would be making guesses at something that actually exists, so it wouldn’t be very fulfilling. Also 3d art would probably be uncanny.
2) You would likely have to be the person to create that, as the likelihood that somebody else knows that same person and has already done so is (hopefully) zero.

With the invention of AI, the possibility of those two points changing is becoming very real. That’s a frightening prospect to be sure, but it demonstrates my point that the desire to do so exists separate from touhou. So, why touhou? Well, I’d like to believe that zun did a good job giving his creation character. So as you play and replay, you develop a relationship with the characters and stories (triumphs and agonizing defeats) and the same thing occurs that i described above. Add in that its a fantasy world by nature, and you’re essentially begging peoples minds to wander. The character portraits give enough detail to capture the essence of the character, but it’s as if they’re being viewed through a cloudy mirror. So both their personality and actual physical traits can be developed upon. This lends itself to “building” a character with traits you like. I think you understand where that could lead people. Especially if you’re already selecting from the demographic that would be interested in this series to begin with. So, bullet 1 is resolved because 2d art is simpler to make look appealing. And you could make it quickly and cheaply. Also, because the original traits were merely suggestions, your nsfw art might as well be the real deal. That “is” what that character would look like, because there is no reality to judge against. Point 2 goes without saying that since it’s a popular series, you could be incentivized to create because there are is an audience for it. Excuse me while i clear my head, as i find the whole topic kind of gross. I enjoy touhou specifically because there is no fan service in the series itself. But i just dont find it surprising in the least.

  • (somebody actually replied to the post above, giving an interesting point):  I feel like people go through the opposite though? Over the years I've become so familiar with these characters that it actually starts feeling weird seeing them in the way they’re portayed in porn. To me it feels like seeing my irl friends naked. It feels weird. Although i don’t consider Touhou characters as “friends” in any way; I’m a writer, and i generally see them as characters with interesting stories that are interpreted in many interesting ways. Also, most people that like Touhou porn are usually not Touhou fans. There’s a common misconception among people that read a lot of hentai doujins that Touhou is a hentai franchise. The whole parasocial relationship thing may apply to stuff like vtubers or anime, however Touhou is a franchise where finding character dialogue at all is actually rather difficult. Spending time “hanging out” with a Touhou character to form a paradocial relationship with them is not something you can easily do. It’s really not that deep. I think it’s just ppl that like hentai reading a bunch of hentai (whether they know anything about Touhou or not). And a bunch of independent artists seeing a popular franchise that allows you to easily create & sell fanworks of, making porn of that franchise for profit over the literal decades Touhou has been a popular & well-known cultural icon in Japanese Otaku culture. People build careers & portfolios over Touhou fanworks in Japan. Makes sense that hentai artists would do the same, no? Touhou is just really popular in Japan. There’s a lot of fanworks based off of it which can be easily sold. Its got a bunch of female characters. Of course there’s gonna be a lot of porn based off of it.  I’m sure there are a few fans out there that have parasocial relationships with Touhou characters. But i dunno, Touhou characters are not made to be appealing to men; in fact, a lot of them are downright unattractive personality-wise. You can see this especially in their characters designs; in most other franchises with lots of female characters, their character designs are usually almost always “tiddlating” & show a lot of skin or whatever to appeal to a degenerate male audience. On the other hand, almost all Touhou characters wear really big & poofy & pretty dresses that show little to no skin. This same applies to the characters’ personalities & such; they’re just not made to “appeal” like that. I think that’s probably why it’s also got a much larger female following than those other franchises with large casts of female characters. In many ways, I feel like Touhou has more similarities to a magical girl franchise that’s made to appeal to a female audience, than those “harem” type franchises made to appeal to a male audience.
     
  • (and yet another reply):  I think I understand where you're coming from, but I also think attraction is more broad than that. Sure, most "popular" anime-style products aim for that appeal. If you're investing that much money into a production, you're likely going to play it safe with the standard "sex sells". But the discussion is specifically about fanmade depictions. I can't imagine a more boring prospect than drawing porn of porn. If the characters are presented only as meat, then I don't see much of a lasting appeal. You get your fix and forget about it immediately. So where's the incentive in drawing characters from that franchise? I (personally) think a girl in a plain t-shirt or hoodie can be quite appealing. To go further, "tiddlating" presentations are uninteresting and an immediate turn-off. I don't feel comfortable generalizing that just because female characters aren't in revealing outfits, then it's automatically not for men. The touhou fashion style is "gothic lolita" which almost certainly can have its own charm. To your point, I would agree that women would be drawn to a series with positive female representation. I disagree with the notion that men wouldn't. I'll just go back to my "cloudy mirror" argument. The art is so underwhelming that it wraps around and becomes (potentially) scintillating again. Because you reimagine what they actually would look like, and that's what I imagine makes it fun.


Count's comment: I was thinking a little bit about this, and there are some valid points. After spending a while with a series, experiencing it, you might end up creating some connections. Be them admiration, respect or just enjoying that thing. It is just how much you like that thing, and how willing you feel to see that thing you like getting perverted. I mean for a long time I felt confused and had mixed feeling in processing the idea of seeing my favorite characters in less than family-friendly situations and depictions. I have already mentioned towards the end of the thread how my contact with this whole topic has been, and how things have changed in time. But I might be able to see why people would enjoy this sort of thing. However, one question: is this actually you liking the thing, the characters, the way they are designed and their personalities, or is it just a way to cope with the lack of something in real life? Because I can see the latter as possible as well. Trying to use cutely drawn anime-style girls in order to fill an empty spot in your soul, which perhaps could have been filled in other ways. And this counts for the both the more or less whole things and situations we may put the 2hus in, given the freedom of creation given to the fans.

  • (Got this in reply): I’m not well versed enough in philosophy, but i think those two concepts might be inseparable. Things make you happier. Well, that necessarily meant you were missing something before. So anything that makes you happy is merely coping with the lack of something. But perhaps that reading is too pedantic. I think a lot of people turn to nsfw stuff because they are bored, and it’s a simple, effective way to occupy your time and feel something “positive”. You and i would likely both argue that immediate gratification isn’t actually a positive, but still. It’s not too different than vegging out and watching tv on the couch all day. It’s just that little bit cheaper, as it’s better understood how to excite a sexual response in a person than a feeling of awe (from art, music, etc). On the other end of the spectrum is learning an instrument (or how to play a difficult videogame, 🤔). Perhaps more fulfilling, but less immediate. At the end of the day, I’d avoid shaming people at all costs for how they choose to spend their time. I disagree with it, but it’s perfectly rational and it’s not like i know their situations.

 

  • Well that was honestly a bit of a doosy to read through. Well I kinda glossed over some bits I honestly dont think this subject has been touched on all that much as of late and I think its something that should be touched on, especially regarding this subreddit for the past several months.

Count's comment: by "the past several months", user most likely refers to Fusu-posting era, followed by the rise of the name XG3E weeb and then classic cookie-cutter Touhou video format based on cropped hentai thumbnail and random content in the video itself. I find it interesting that once the Fusu floodgate got closed, soon afterwards this happened https://youtu.be/ArlLLg-s8cw. Which in itself has opened up another floodgate that still has to run out of steam. In a way, it seemed liked a natural progression, and due to a lack of regulation or people complaining (and creating a counter-movement - I still remember those days), the format ended up being overused and a cheap way for people to get attention. Slap a cropped hentai image for thumbnail, perhaps crop a few more or just use some thicc fanart for the cookie cutter video, and you got yourself all the attention in the world by baiting in horny people. 

  • It most likely has to do with the recent resurgence in touhou's popularity attracting a whole bunch of new people. Though I think the floodgates with the horny stuff on this subreddit were opened when the whole Fusu thing went down. Tho to be completely fair, I don't know the current state of that content on this sub because I have blocked a bunch of the horny posters, so my assessment of this content on the sub as of now is probably not the most accurate.

 

  • As someone who is an outsider to the Touhou community and has been browsing this subreddit from time to time over the last year as well as from my time looking at Touhou fanart(both SFW and NSFW), I feel that this is a subject that should really be talked about more. One of my biggest questions about the entire community is why is there so much nsfw art.

 

And now to finish, just getting a bit more of Fusu, point-of-view art, empty love confessions (+ sex) and repetitive content, because why not. Actually, becuase there will remain in hstory a time when r/touhou was clogged with his art, which drove many to despair back then (and lead to some of the images including the one I have used in the opening of the post) (source - https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/wjld05/whats_wrong_with_fusus_art/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)

 

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Random Fusu art piece used to illustrate the concept discussed below. For obvious reasons, I have gone with a safe for work image
 

  • I never thought there was nothing wrong with Fusu's artwork. I kinda enjoy them. I prefer to see the Touhous as tender, submissive and even amorous sweethearts rather than these overpowered, malevolent and homicidal bitches. 
     
  • I found it to have weird undertones and I disliked how the characters basically had the same personality so I drew a parody. Then the sub got swathed with similar memes. Oops.
     
  • It was oversaturated for a while, also UwU-ification of the Touhou girls. But yes there are weird arse double standards with content people despise and content they love. Hell even what people can and can't post on this reddit has weird double standards.
     
  • Maybe it's the same as Hammer? Where their fanart went from wholesome and cute to horny in the blink if an eye? And so people are miffed that Fusu is only drawing hentai now instead of some kind of balance between the two? [Count's comment: Fusu has not drawn a signle safe-for-work image since November last year. If you have the "keep out R18 content" filter activated on Pixiv, you will not see anything new in his art list since 10 months ago, but you will know he has been busy with a quick check on Danbooru]
     
  • The fact that all characters act like generic anime girls and shipping them with the viewer just seems kinda sad (this may be harsh to some but I don't know how to phrase it other way). Also personally I'm not too fond of hentai but that's just me.
     
  • Tbh nothing was wrong with the art itself, I feel like a large amount of the problem people had was the fact that it was being posted too frequently according to them, and they were sucking up all of the upvotes from other posts that deserved them more in their eyes. And that's a fine PoV to have, they were highly upvoted iirc, but also I browse on new rather than top / hot so idk for sure. I'm a bit biased because I kind of liked the art style and didn't really bother reading most of the translations (after the first few I got the idea pretty quick lol)

 

  • [for better formatting, I will leave this here]

1) The art itself is degrading, and takes, shall we say, great liberties with the 2hus' characterizations for the sole purpose of titillating the viewer. It's neckbeard-bait, plain and simple. And Touhou as I like it is the antithesis of neckbeard-bait.
2) Someone was spamming it virtually nonstop at one point on this sub. And whether due to the initial novelty of the thing, the horniness of the average redditor, or bots, those posts got lots of upvotes and shot to the top of Hot more often than not. Even people who initially didn't mind it eventually got sick of it.

 

Conclusion: the only thing I still had questions about was why people act depraved when it comes to the existence of such art and content. They act like a monkey in heat, as if they never seaw a woman in their life. 

 

 

 

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Wow this was a really big study, well done! I havent read the whole thing yet, but im surprised that there isnt actually that much r 18 art of touhou and vocaloid especially compared to toher things on pixiv. I hope to be able to type something up like this one day too, thanks for helping keep the fandom alive count

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On 9/17/2022 at 8:26 PM, CountVonNumenor said:

Redditors fear the truth. That's why they feed each other regurgitated opinions in their echo chamber subreddits all day long

AHAHAHA omg I can't stop laughing at "echo chamber subreddits"

 

oh also good job on this compilation CVN.

 

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2 hours ago, buskerdog said:

AHAHAHA omg I can't stop laughing at "echo chamber subreddits"

Oh god, the only thing I can suddenly think of based on your comment (and the overall situation) is this clip from The Clone Wars 

I may also have to make a correction: this series is not really just a trilogy, but perhaps a whole saga, as I forgot to mention the spin-off that we all know as the "Why there is so much hate for anime/anime style" discussion.

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Really wanna bring this back, since I feel a little disappointed we are not making fun of the redditors this has ended a little too anticlimactically. Quite a bit of potential talk as we got a brief view into the mentality of a Touhou fan in over 200 replies of the source material. I will admit, I have a strange fixation of pointing fingers towards those who are "horny in #general-chat". 

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"

- Reimu: Young girl who is poor, isolated and lives alone (for the most part)
- Perv 2hu fan: Offers money to Reimu in exchange for armpit pics, foot rubs and even "favors" because they have no morals whatsoever. Maybe the fan will even ignore her objections to such offers and/or take advantage of her anyway because she lives at a distance from the village and no one will hear her suffering.

Reimu isn't real, sure, but a lot of girls live in the same conditions she does IRL and a situation like that could very well take place and that horrifies me which is why I find this aspect of fandoms in general unnerving—there are definitely fanbases far more toxic than Touhou's worst. It could very well be a reflection of just how desensitized people have become towards sex and how we turned our primal behavior (sex, violence, etc) into a commonplace theme. But that's just my personal take."

Reimu b like: FANTASY NATURE YOUR ASS BASTAAAAAAAAAAAARD

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maybe we are getting shitposty now, but yeah, consider... most 2hus are basically OP, and not all of them are physically vulnerable. This, frankly, makes most of the various... exploitative doujins nothing but pure bullshit.

....or ugly bastards are the most terrifying force in the universe

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On 10/15/2022 at 11:04 PM, adzi said:

maybe we are getting shitposty now, but yeah, consider... most 2hus are basically OP, and not all of them are physically vulnerable. This, frankly, makes most of the various... exploitative doujins nothing but pure bullshit.

I don't think we can get too shitposty with this. Given how a lot of the Touhou community as a whole seems to be more towards meta and shitpost (heck, 2hujerk exists for that very reason). But on a more serious note, yeah, those kind of stories simply do not make sense. and that only brings us back to my opening statement:

On 9/17/2022 at 10:26 PM, CountVonNumenor said:

"No anon, your waifu doesn't love you or as you go out with her, or go into any sort of romantic confession to a complete foreigner. No anon, your waifu will not allow or want you touch her in inappropriate places. No anon, your waifu will not beg you have sex with her"

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Credit for this image: https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/qpy018/satori_reads_your_mind_parody_of_fusus_work/

People are generally horny, Touhou fans included. Which might explain the hundreds of videos from past 6 months that go into horny, cookie-cutter format and use cropped hentai or Fusu images for thumbnail. "Touhou /x character fans be like". As for Fusu himself, I guess the dislike for his art might also be reinforced, like others pointed out, about how his art switched in the past months from the confession type (the ones posted on this subreddit last year) + "sexy times" (basically part 2 of the confession images) to just the latter. If one has the "keep out R18 content" filters activated, they will not be aware of that entire side of the author. But if you go to somewhere like Danbooru, you will see. And oh boy, at least 10 continuous pages of hentai (which also has amorous confessions) followed by starting to see again the (safe for work) art + "part 2" really is an experience...

Also edit, Fusu decided to go even harder on that line, now at almost 1 year since last safe-for-work art having over 15 pages of just POV "sexy times" in a row if judging by his dedicated Danbooru page. Anyway, where were we...?

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On 10/15/2022 at 8:08 PM, adzi said:

Maybe the fan will even ignore her objections to such offers and/or take advantage of her anyway because she lives at a distance from the village and no one will hear her suffering.

Or the Fusu route, aka "oh random anon, I love this so much; please do it more to me" (now I regret writing this). It sums up the PoV style image though, especially when it becomes repetitive. it just assume all the 2hu girls will be "submissive and breedable" if we are to use meme slang, and that they would accept such favors without any real reason at all. That's...not how the world works? Even if we talk about fiction, it is not for nothing that people say best fiction is the one you might have a hard time separating from reality/does not feel overly far-fetched. But back on the Reimu part, even with the... other function shrine maidens used to have, the scenario is still far from being plausible (or in any good taste). 

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